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To: newzjunkey
Depends on what you consider "social liberal" because some consider his stand on homosexuals to be a make of being a "social liberal" while it hasn't got anything to do with fiscal policy.

That's a good example of a socially liberal issue that has no apparent fiscal impact. Sadly, every other socially liberal issue I can think of has a fiscal impact spanning from abortion to gun control.

His "brand" of "social liberal" means he's not afraid to spend the People's money on the things the People need but not over do it.

I don't know if I buy that. Remember that Arnold borrowed several billions of dollars via support of a bond measure to put California in the job of embryonic stem cell research. That was billions (with a 'b') of dollars added to this state's already burgeoning debt just to finance a Mengelesque pro-abort Liberal pet project. In that alone, Arnold way "over did it."

The problem tonight and, generally, aren't "the Dems" because the legislature and union bureaucracy are not mainstream Democrats. They're no less than outrageous radicals.

You know that and I know that, but nobody in Sacramento seems to make a point about it. And thus only our side gets marginalized as "fringe"...even by people who claim to be Republicans themselves.

He's not getting any credit for working with them any more than Bush has gotten any credit for working with Ted Kennedy on "No child left behind." No Republican is ever going to get credit for that. Even if Arnold had given $5 billion more in education spending, not $3 billion, they'd attack him just as vigorously.

This is, in my opinion, due to a ridiculous lack of spine in our Republican "leadership." They need to stop taking it and start dishing it out for a change. Enough with letting the Leftists set the tone. We need to hit them hard enough to get them rocked back on their heels for a change. This "playing nice" is yielding no dividends. None.

1,096 posted on 11/08/2005 11:57:40 PM PST by Prime Choice (I can open hearts and minds effortlessly. I have a hacksaw.)
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To: Prime Choice
The stem cell proposition got his support, true, but it was the PEOPLE who voted for it and to go into debt.

He saw it as an opportunity to foster growth California's biomedical industry. He's been fairly pro-business.

I voted against it but as we saw tonight, the governor's support is hardly enough for a proposition to win at the ballot box.

We need to stop playing nice and rightly define the radicals in the legislature. Just like happened tonight, their interests defined the terms of the debate. It happens back in D.C. as well. It's the most frustrating thing and only reason I sometimes go delusional and want to embrace campaign reform spending limits.

We need to fix the GOP in California. It's a disorganized mess which can't get folks fired up and out to the polls. Replacing Arnold with a McClintock isn't going to fix things. The problem is in the legislature but more to the point, it's in GOTV and fund-raising.

Result of the in-fighting? GOP stay home. It's probably why we lost tonight across the board instead of winning on 73 and 75.

1,134 posted on 11/09/2005 12:11:50 AM PST by newzjunkey (CA Freepers: Tonight was only a flesh wound! We've not yet begun to fight! Go Arnold!)
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