Don't Follow US into a Disastrous War on Drugs

"EVERY" meat? EVERY MEAT?

Jews don't eat pork and there are a whole lot of other dietary proscription's, which GOD says are a no no, as well.

So I suggest that you read the OT more carefully and stop relying on it to shore up your silly pot argument, deary. Cherry-picked scripture is blasphemous and pretty stupid; not to mention a losing refutation.

HI, Chena,

I admire you for stating your views like that. I haven't examined my views on the war on drugs lately. I have to agree with a lot of what you say. I see no evidence that the war against drugs is working. Kids are still winding up in ER's overdosing except now the drugs are more sophisticated than just marijuana. All those new recreational drugs like Meth and the variety of pills? There are a lot of new recreational drugs between marijuana and the hard drugs that we need to worry about even more. Marijuana is probably considered harmless compared to Meth.

I always thought the war against drugs was a conservative agenda. Only liberals did drugs and liberals wanted to legalize marijuana. Now it seems like it is more of a libertarian issue. People should be able to do whatever they want, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.

Thanks for putting a stake in the sand.

Nope, there are still drugs, that lots of people don't stigmatize at all, besides pot...cocaine is sometimes lumped in with pot, here, as no biggie. Though I have yet to see anyone say that crystal meth should be legal...I have seen some here claim, without reference, that ALL illegal substances should be legalized.

Horror stories abound, for all kinds of drug addicts breaking into houses, hospitals, pharmacies, etc. And then, there are also plenty of stories about hard core addicts, who terrorize whole neighborhoods. They go after people for the fun of it; it has nothing at all to do with stealing; though yes, sometimes that is a part of it.

The N.Y. Post has a "crimes" page. They also do plenty of stories about criminals. More likely than not, when a perp is sentenced, they cop a plea and that plea is for a drug charge, instead of for the much more serious crime/s that they committed.

That "medical marijuana" is a head fake, a camel's nose under the tent; just a sneaky way to get pot legalized...one way or another. You've fallen, hook, line , and sinker for propaganda. For every "test" that the pro pot side quotes, there are far more, that says that pot isn't the panacea for cancer or anything else.

When you realize that politics is about money & power, then you can see that legal pot grown in the back yard is hard to tax & regulate - no money & no power.

A drug war, on the other hand, means more & more money, & more people to administer/handle/skim that money.

As an added benefit, politicians can demonize certain segments of the population, even to the point of stripping them of their right to vote.

The drug war was the beginning of the end of personal freedom & privacy in America. Inspired by the right, the left has taken up the banner to give us smoking restrictions, speech restrictions, food restrictions, etc.

Every time the congress passes a law, somebody looses their freedom.

So, you figure god needs to revise & clarify these verses to what you believe it says, even though the words "every" & "meat" are clear & repeated. And, after looking it over, god said it was "very good", not pretty good or just adequate.

I think you need to take this up with god, as you wont convince me this is not gospel.

Then I suggest that while you're celebrating Christmas this year, you eat a nice big handful of mistletoe berries...

Enjoy!

Mark

In my neck-of-the-woods cocaine nor any other hard drug has been lumped in with "pot" as being "no biggie". I've read horror stories as well about drug addicts breaking into houses, pharmacies, etc. Not good.

I cannot honestly agree with your statement that medical marijuana is a "head fake", nor that it is only a "sneaky way to get pot legalized". As for "propoganda", that works BOTH ways. There is plenty of "propoganda" on both sides of this issue. As an example: for every "test" the anti-marijuana side quotes there is a pro-marijuana test that contradicts it. Do you see what my point is? I believe that it would behoove people who really want to find the truth regarding medical marijuana benefits, or lack thereof, to spend some time with those who have had an experience with its medicinal effects.

Simply put, I would move hell and earth to provide a friend or a loved one with something they, and/or their doctors, felt could bring them some relief from their pain or illness. If it hadn't been for "hippies", perhaps marijuana would be touted as one of the most blessed and medicinal herbs known to man, given to them by the grace of God. :)

Then I suggest that while you're celebrating Christmas this year, you eat a nice big handful of mistletoe berries...

God gave us many herbs, vegetables and fruits. He did not provide a list of "poisonous" species, and "non-poisonous" species. There are edible mushrooms and poisonous mushrooms. The poisonous ones will kill you, but God did not tell us WHICH mushrooms to avoid. He did not spell out which berries to avoid. I have to wonder if His plan wasn't for us to figure it out for ourselves. Many trees and plants are truly medicinal, many trees and plants provide food, and many are poisonous. He said to not eat the "apple", but I find that I've been able to eat apples without fear of arrest. LOL

If one wants to get back to basics....no politics, no biases, no agendas. This is VERY basic, so bear with me. If someone back in the "old days" (prior to the hippy days...lol) came upon a plant (let's call it a marijuana plant) and they learned that this particular green plant had medicinal benefits, one would assume (and rightly so) that they would have become heros within their culture. Has God not put medicinal herbs on this earth? Damn those dang hippies. har har If not for them, I believe that marijuana wouldn't be at all controversial.

If quoting scripture is cherry picking, then every preacher in this country is guilty. Tell me where in the bible it says not to smoke pot.

And there is nothing silly about the drug war, the prelude to the gun possession war, the smoking war, the hate-speech war, & the obesity war.....

Question: How many pot smokers have died from overdose during the entire drug war? Answer: ZERO

Given that over 50,000 people die each year from alcohol related deaths, shouldn't we legalize pot & criminalize alcohol. Wouldn't that save those people's lives?

No, we tried that and it didn't work. Why, it was such a failure, that it spawned the biggest spate of crime in this nations history & gave birth to the mafia.

Well, the war on drugs has spawned another crime wave, enriching the drug gangs & filling the coffers of terrorists. Additionally, it has corrupted law enforcement & made many, many skeptical of the rule of law.

One more thing. The next time you see your favorite drug warrior talking about how righteous this fight is, remember, he'd be out of a job tomorrow if he said anything else.

On these doper threads, there have been some who thought that cocaine was no big deal. The world is far larger than just where you live.

Marijuana is a weed; is is not an "herb".

Some weeds are in such books as Culpepper's Herbal, but since that was written several 100 years ago, in England, you need to know that the use of the word "herbal" doesn't mean that every plant in that book was/is an herb.

This whole nonsense about "medical" marijuana has been on going for more than 30 years. It was the counter culture, that started that, as a way to get pot legalized. And anyone who tries to tell you that pot had been used medicinally in the past, always lies about it, or has NO idea HOW it was used. It was NEVER smoked for medicinal reasons; it was made into a tincture and then the liquid drunk.

The main reason that the PURE FOOD AND DRUG ACTS were written and passed, re criminalizing many substances, is due to the patent medicines and the fact that substances such as laudanum were used either deliberately or accidentally incorrectly and without much thought. It KILLED more than it helped assuage the pain. The demimonde used laudanum to commit suicide or pretend to. Baby farm ( what they used to call daycare )workers and nannies and some mothers, would does babies with laudanum to keep babies and toddlers quite. And yes, it was far worse than Ritalin use is today and almost as wide spread.

I realize the world is far larger than my little vantage point in Alaska. However, please do not assume that because I live in the "bush" I am any the less worldly when it comes to current issues, past issues, or any topic of discussion. I am an avid reader, a news junky (lol), and also am in contact with those Outside and elsewhere.

You said, "marijuana is a weed; is not an "herb"". Perhaps I am wrong but there really is no difference. A weed, or an herb, are simply definitions used to describe a leafy plant and most often the difference is based on how one looks at a plant. We do know that herbs, and weeds are plants with green leaves and sometimes flowers as well.

Most folks call Dandelions and Fireweed, "weeds". And yet I have used Dandelion blossoms and Fireweed blossoms to make delicious jellies. Chickweed is one of the most hated "weeds" of all gardeners, but to someone such as I, chickweed is an "herb", and even a vegetable. Do you see what I mean? It's all a matter or perspective.

Oh well, I understand that people have issues with marijuana based solely on the "hippy" thing. I respect their opinions, and yours, but I also respectfully disagree with labeling this particular plant as evil because of societal biases.

Priest, rabbis, and ministers, don't cherry-pick the Scriptures, they use them. Those who post here, are engaging in debate and discussion. If you want to preach, get a pulpit!

You're a noob, you aren't anywhere as good at this, as the old Libertarians here were. Trust me, you have not only NOT made your case, but haven't done anything at all, but repeated ( and not very well ) stuff that has been posted to FR At least a million times before and which hasn't changed a single person's mind.

I suggest that you learn some history, prior to the 1970s.

Not only are you a noob here, but I bet that you never lived at a time when pot wasn't as prevalent as it has been for the last 35+ years.

You people keep talking about alcohol, but many people who drink an alcoholic beverage every now and again, don't get a buzz, get high, pickled, snookered, drunk.

But, American, before Prohibition, was the world's most drunken nation. The abolitionists, said that alcohol was just a hair less worse than slavery.

I bet that you don't know any of this history at all. LOL

And FYI...the Mafia was around and doing quite well, before Prohibition. But yes, Prohibition made the richer. Once Prohibition was ended, the Mafia didn't go away, nor wither and die...they grew stronger and richer.

Please don't read into my posts, what is not there. I was using your OWN words; not assuming that you never ever had any contact whatsoever outside of your own neck of the woods. Neither did I imply that you weren't "up" on things outside of that venue. What I told you, was that on FR, on the DOPE threads, which you weren't on, but I was, years ago, what I wrote, was posted here. Hello? It is something that you obviously had NO knowledge of.

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeesh! Just because you eat weeds, in some way of another, doesn't make them an herb, nor a veggie. It just makes them edible. Lots of weeds are edible, as are flowers of all kinds and variations. Nasturtiums are lovely in a salad, I adore candied violets and rose petals on cakes and other deserts, and there are many different weeds, that combined, make delightful salads.

There is a difference between weeds and herbs. Yes, you are wrong. Both have been used medicinally and/or as a foodstuff. That doesn't mean that the words are interchangeable.

Before the hippies, the vast majority of teens and young adults, didn't smoke pot. That is not to say that there weren't some people smoking it. Most recreational dope/drug use, has ALWAYS been a sub rosa, underground, and yes, a counter culture thing; until the hippies pushed it to the forefront.

I'm sorry that I misunderstood you, nopardons. When you said, "The world is far larger than just where you live.", I thought you were implying that I wasn't knowledgeable of the world beyond where I live.

You are absolutely correct in saying that I was not here years ago on these "dope" threads.

Yes, both weeds and herbs have been used medicinally and/or as a food source. My only point with "weeds and herbs" was that how one defines them is a matter of perspective. I used to have a neighbor that would come over and pull "weeds" from my flowerbeds. The "weeds" she was pulling were "flowers" to me. LOL You see? Simply a matter of perspective.

If someone were to tell me that chickweed (simply using as an example) would lessen the nausea experienced after chemo treatments, and I had cancer, I would grow me a crop of chickweed. But if some group of people had given chickweed a bad name and caused it to become illegal, I wouldn't be allowed to use it, would I? Yet all that plant was doing was growing, it wasn't created by man, every living thing was created by God.

Oh well, we shall have to disagree as to the medicial benefits of marijuana.

BTW, you said, "just because I eat weeds"......ROFL! Yes, I suppose you could say I eat "weeds". Call them herbs, weeds, vegetables, green things.....it doesn't really matter to me. And yes, nasturtiums are delicious and like chickweed, very healthy for us. Once again I am truly in awe of the world God created. :)

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah...I see, that's all you have. LOL

FYI...I almost NEVER drink alcoholic beverages, but on the rare occasions that I do imbibe, never enough to make me the slightest bit tipsy; let alone drunk. What you "smell" is your own putrescence.

"Ignorance" You want to see IGNORANCE? Go look into the nearest mirror.

Sadly, your neighbor, though trying to be helpful, was ignorant. You should have told her what you wanted left alone. :-)

As far as I know, nobody has ever smoked nor eaten cickweed to get high/stoned/whatever you want to call it.

People have ingested all kinds of really nasty substances, in order to get stoned. Frankly, I don't understand that, any more than why some people purposefully get drunk and nobody has ever been able to successfully explain any of that to me.

LOL...there are lots of edible weeds that are good for you and tasty.

And yes, nasturtiums are delicious...

I grow them. They are great in a salad.

My take on the drug issue is apart from any I have seen here.

I would say go ahead and legalize everything, but don't prevent me from waging my own private war on the users who infringe on my freedom or involve the people I love (especially those under aged).

The druggies, like the sex perverts, can only support their filthy habits by molesting the minds and bodies of the young ones. They need an ever expanding clientele to perpetuate the demand and keep the supply readily available.

I personally view drunks, dopers, sex perverts, and their like as subhuman scum. Live and let live as long as they keep away from me and mine. If they do not, I will visit my turn upon them. Just don't make it a matter of law that I am a criminal for doing so...

In addition, I would, as a matter of Occupational Health and Safety, require mandatory drug testing as a condition for any employment. The rights of people to work in an environment free of intoxicated individuals who are a threat to their wellbeing is all too often overlooked.

Lastly, as an amendment to the IRS Code, all paid employees of 501(c) tax-exempt corporations (“nonprofit” recipients of corporate welfare) as a legal condition for tax-exempt status, should be tested for drugs. Watch the left wing subversive groups (PETA, ACLU, GLSEN, NARAL, ACT UP, etc., etc, ad nausea) fold overnight.

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