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Curfews Don't Stop Rioting
Captains Quarters ^ | Nov. 8, 2005 | Edward Morrissey

Posted on 11/08/2005 4:43:40 AM PST by conservativecorner

The riots in France continued for a twelfth straight night as the French have turned to a two-pronged plan of curfews and offers of new social programs to stop the violent uprising that has originated from primarily Muslim neighborhoods. The new curfew laws come under the authority of a state of emergency called by the French cabinet and grant broad powers to the police to conduct raids on suspected weapons caches:

After a 12th night of violence, Nicolas Sarkozy, the Interior Minister, said state of emergency laws would be used to quell the disturbances. "We will now be able to act in a preventative manner to avoid these incidents," Mr Sarkozy said. "We will monitor, bit by bit, the evolution of events."

Among other powers, police will be able to conduct raids if they suspect weapons are being stockpiled, Mr Sarkozy said.

He did not say where or how curfews might be imposed or how long they might last, but a French government spokesman said the curfews will come into effect at midnight tonight.

The action follows a night in which almost 1200 cars were lost to arson, down just a bit from the previous night's total of 1500. The violence appears to keep spreading, however, even with the slightly lower car loss from the previous night. Yesterday the uprising claimed its first death in Stains, a Parisian suburb, and the Los Angeles Times reports that it hardly made an impression on the people in the riot zone:

Le Chenadec was part of the aging native French population that lives warily alongside the children and grandchildren of North African, Asian and black immigrants. Told they are French but treated as outsiders, the youths are adrift in joblessness, crime and, more than ever, unfocused rage. The beefy, white-mustached Le Chenadec, 61, was a retired auto worker and a leader of the residents' council in his building. On Friday, he went outside with a neighbor to check on a fire ignited in garbage cans — a spark compared with the walls of flame that have swept this depressed region north of Paris.

A man of about 20 approached and exchanged words with the two residents. Then he knocked Le Chenadec to the pavement with a crushing punch. The assailant has not been captured. ...

No one on the boulevard admitted participating in the riots. Nor did they excuse the death of Le Chenadec. But one muttered that the dead man had a reputation for belligerence and comments with a racist tinge.

"The kind of French guy with a mean dog who was always saying, 'This is my building, back off,' that kind of thing," said a neighbor who asked to remain anonymous.

The Guardian (UK) presumes that Le Chenandec confronted the rioters before having been beaten into a coma -- without benefit of any quotes or sources -- where the LAT report at least digs up some witness testimony that suggests the man's only problem was a reputation for irascibility when it came to trespassers and troublemakers. The Guardian also reports that the French government has targeted that same segment for a new, sweeping social program designed to mollify what it sees as the leading cause of the social unrest over the past fortnight:

Mr de Villepin added that the government aimed to give more funds to community associations, accelerate housing renovation, offer individual attention to jobseekers, and ensure France's education was better suited to the needs of the suburbs, by offering apprenticeships from age 14 for those failing at school, and scholarships to those succeeding. "We have to offer hope," he said. Meanwhile, the Guardian took the rare step in the media to check on what the Muslim community leaders were doing regarding the violence. The paper states that Muslim leadership is "unlikely" as an organization linked to the Muslim Brotherhood issued a fatwa against violence earlier during the rioting. However, that fatwa was rejected by the nation's Muslim Council and the Grand Mosque of Paris -- and the notion that the Muslim Brotherhood suddenly stands for peace and violence-free, spiritual jihad seems rather ludicrous.

The French may hope to ride out the violence and buy off some of the leaders with a few new social programs they can ill afford, considering the problems they have paying their bills now. However, the escalating violence and the direct confrontation shown towards French security forces -- and the latter's unwillingness to engage -- shows a serious threat to French stability that has much more than the over-eager energies of youth as a cause. No one still wants to talk about the Algerian threats from six weeks ago, nor the follow-up intelligence reported by the Post that points to Islamist instigation of the uprising. The media has remained silent on these points despite having all but connected the dots towards an eventual attack on France as late as October 19th, less than a fortnight before the uprising.

Until the French take the threat seriously, every offer they make of social programs and concessions to autonomy will only encourage the violence to continue until the Islamists get the Bantustans they want in the heart of Europe -- ministates from which they can launch an all-out offensive against the West, similar to the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the Middle East.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: france; insurgency; intifada; jihad; quagmire; surrender; terrorism; uprising
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To: fatteddy
Not without a change in government.

The French are finally reaping the truer fruits of socialism.

21 posted on 11/08/2005 8:08:44 AM PST by johnny7 (“What now? Let me tell you what now.”)
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To: purpleland
Reality proves and history attests that some values are never equal, some diverse peoples are never compatible, and colliding cultures can be so explosive that synthesis is impossible, and only pathetic fragments remain.

In order to further tolerance, we cannot tolerate your thinking.

22 posted on 11/08/2005 8:11:51 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: johnny7
Too bad they don't go to church any more(I think the Catholic church has France designated a "Mission" colony in the catholic faith)....

They would have had a deeper meaning of the phrase........You shall "reap" what you sow.

23 posted on 11/08/2005 8:13:01 AM PST by thingumbob (Democracy is the best defense against terrorist/communist thugs!)
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To: Publius6961
"We will now be able to act in a preventative manner to avoid these incidents," Mr Sarkozy said. "We will monitor, bit by bit, the evolution of events."

There is your answer, right there. Need anything more be said?

24 posted on 11/08/2005 8:13:01 AM PST by Great Caesars Ghost (The Fault, dear Brutus, is not in the Stars, but in ourselves..)
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To: purpleland

Tell you what, mang, the fire alarms in my office building make it impossible to stay in the building when they are going off. However, I have found that they are easily defeated by a pair of .39 disposable shooting earplugs.


25 posted on 11/08/2005 8:16:54 AM PST by Great Caesars Ghost (The Fault, dear Brutus, is not in the Stars, but in ourselves..)
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To: conservativecorner

What's this business about threats from Algeria right before the riots started? I didn't hear a word about that.


26 posted on 11/08/2005 8:17:46 AM PST by Great Caesars Ghost (The Fault, dear Brutus, is not in the Stars, but in ourselves..)
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To: conservativecorner
every offer they make of social programs and concessions to autonomy will only encourage the violence to continue until the Islamists get the Bantustans they want in the heart of Europe -- ministates from which they can launch an all-out offensive against the West, similar to the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the Middle East.

I absolutely believe this to be true.

27 posted on 11/08/2005 8:18:02 AM PST by ThomasMore (Islam IS the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: Great Caesars Ghost

That's what the doctor says to a terminal, patients relative... in hushed tones.


28 posted on 11/08/2005 8:25:33 AM PST by johnny7 (“What now? Let me tell you what now.”)
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To: Aquinasfan

"Reality proves and history attests that some values are never equal, some diverse peoples are never compatible, and colliding cultures can be so explosive that synthesis is impossible, and only pathetic fragments remain."

In order to further tolerance, we cannot tolerate your thinking.

*De Veritate*


29 posted on 11/08/2005 8:37:22 AM PST by purpleland (Vigilance and Valor!)
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To: johnny7

There is something about the phrases these Frenchmen use. I saw a quote from a mayor of a small town holding a festival yesterday, I guess it was in Stein's piece and he said "These people, they are not a part of our universe" even though they had burned 50 cars and turned donuts on the village green until it was wrecked. Steyn said "Guess what, Mayor, you are a part of THEIR universe."


30 posted on 11/08/2005 8:39:52 AM PST by Great Caesars Ghost (The Fault, dear Brutus, is not in the Stars, but in ourselves..)
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To: purpleland

Savage used to say of the French "Liberte, Egalite, et Bigotre!" He is surprisingly knowledgeable about the French, even speaks it without an accent. It's hilarious when he talks without what he calls his "New York Brogue."


31 posted on 11/08/2005 8:41:55 AM PST by Great Caesars Ghost (The Fault, dear Brutus, is not in the Stars, but in ourselves..)
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To: Great Caesars Ghost

"However, I have found that they are easily defeated by a pair of .39 disposable shooting earplugs."

Hummmm...so much for Sonic Booms as riot controls!


32 posted on 11/08/2005 8:45:55 AM PST by purpleland (Vigilance and Valor! Socialism is the Opiate of Academia)
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To: Great Caesars Ghost

"We will now be able to act in a preventative manner to avoid these incidents," Mr Sarkozy said. "We will monitor, bit by bit, the evolution of events."

There is your answer, right there. Need anything more be said?

*Hilarious! "...monitor...bit by bit...!"
Well, hilarious but pathetic.
France is doomed...bit by bit.


33 posted on 11/08/2005 8:50:54 AM PST by purpleland (Vigilance and Valor! Socialism is the Opiate of Academia)
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To: conservativecorner

"After a 12th night of violence, Nicolas Sarkozy, the Interior Minister, said state of emergency laws would be used to quell the disturbances. "We will now be able to act in a preventative manner to avoid these incidents," Mr Sarkozy said. "We will monitor, bit by bit, the evolution of events."

Undoubtedly, Sarkozy's totally discognatively passive solution was devised, I suspect, after secretly consulting with U.S. Senator John Kerry, BUT without defering to the U.N. and without testing for a "global consensus", without seeking approval from Amnesty International, and even without soliciting consensus from French citizens.
The French government has effected a grand Coup de Merde.


34 posted on 11/08/2005 9:07:02 AM PST by purpleland (Vigilance and Valor! Socialism is the Opiate of Academia)
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To: conservativecorner

Excerpt from article via Drudge:



Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin said Tuesday that France faces a "moment of truth" in fighting racial discrimination that has inflamed tempers in suburbs with large immigrant populations. Speaking to a special session of the National Assembly called to address the wave of unrest, Villepin said France faced a choice between "division or coming together."

We must be lucid: The Republic is at a moment of truth," Villepin said. "What is being questioned is the effectiveness of our integration model."

Villepin apologized for a recent incident in which a police tear-gas bomb landed near a mosque, adding to ill-feeling in poor suburban housing projects where many Muslims live.


Villepin, begging for lucidity, is scared merdeless! He, Chirac and politikos know very well what happens in Holland and in Denmark if there is resistance to deferring to demands of Muslims/Islamists and Sharia law: death threats and assassinations.

France's liberalism (secular socialism) is not firmly set upon principles but anchored upon cowardly condescension. Hand-feeding Eclaires and Bons Bons to sharks.


35 posted on 11/08/2005 10:02:23 AM PST by purpleland (Vigilance and Valor! Socialism is the Opiate of Academia)
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To: conservativecorner
  Zut Alors!

My Renault!

"I don't think I like Intifadas very much anymore."




36 posted on 11/08/2005 10:04:58 AM PST by Bon mots
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