[ModernDayCato]

You have GOT to be kidding.

Here's some science for you, friend. I happened to be listening to talk radio on the way to work yesterday. There was a molecular biologist talking about so-called 'random evolution,' with regard to a single-celled organism.

He said that the odds of that organism evolving randomly were calculated to be 10 to the fifty thousandth power, which is basically an unfathomable number, which validates what I suspected since the first time I heard it...Darwin was the first person to push junk science.

If you can argue that any other scientific theory is in dispute to that extent, other theories should be included. I thought that was the PURPOSE of science.

[js1138]

Actually, most science isn't conducted on talk radio.

[js1138]

Here's some science for you, friend. I happened to be listening to talk radio on the way to work yesterday.

This is a recurring theme. A while back we had an astounding scientific revelation about honeybees with ESP that was sourced to the Today Show.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"There was a molecular biologist talking about so-called 'random evolution,' with regard to a single-celled organism."

Your source is an idiot. Evolution is not concerned with the origins of life. Also, there is no way to calculate odds for the formation of life (abiogenesis). It's impossible when you have no clue as to what the pathways are. Anybody feeding you odds is pulling them out of their butt.

"If you can argue that any other scientific theory is in dispute to that extent, other theories should be included. I thought that was the PURPOSE of science."

There are no other scientific theories dealing with the variation and origin of species.

[USConstitutionBuff]

The guy made up those numbers out of whole cloth based upon his beliefs; Garbage in = Garbage out.

Also evolution is not "random". Mutation is random. Evolution is through natural selection.

Just because a mechanism is random does not mean the process is 'by accident'. According to quantum theory the formation of matter is random; but given the conditions of the universe formation of matter is inevitable. Something that is inevitable is not 'by accident'.

According to mutation theory, change in DNA is random; but given the conditions of life on earth, evolution through natural selection is inevitable. Something that is inevitable is not 'by accident'.

For example during an ice age rabbits would, over successive generations, eventually match their background with white fur. Now the process that brought this about would be through random mutation of the genes that supplied color to the rabbit fur pelt; but given the survival advantage of being white against a snowy background, the outcome would be inevitable.

Lastly 'Intelligent' Design is not a Scientific theory, it is philosophical posturing. Just because I share the underlying philosophy that the universe was created does not mean that I have to accept a gussied up philosophy as if it were a falsifiable theory that helps to observe and predict the universe. Even if ID were 100% true, it doesn't change the fact that it is 100% useless for observing and predicting the universe.

[RogueIsland]

Here's some science for you, friend. I happened to be listening to talk radio on the way to work yesterday. There was a molecular biologist talking about so-called 'random evolution,' with regard to a single-celled organism.

So, am I to understand that you are basing your entire understanding of a very large and complex theory comprising numerous interconnected fields of scientific study upon a statement by a guy you heard on talk radio?

[b_sharp]

"He said that the odds of that organism evolving randomly were calculated to be 10 to the fifty thousandth power, which is basically an unfathomable number, which validates what I suspected since the first time I heard it...Darwin was the first person to push junk science.

Isn't it fortunate for us that life did not start purely by random? Isn't it good that complex molecules tend to spontaneously develop through energy inequality according to the 2LoT?

BTW, those probability calculations are misleading, wrong and useless.

[LanaTurnerOverdrive]

I happened to be listening to talk radio on the way to work yesterday.

Well there you have it. I'm sold.

[shuckmaster]

He said that the odds of that organism evolving randomly were calculated to be 10 to the fifty thousandth power

That's about the same odds as a shuffled deck of cards coming up in their resulting order but, you can shuffle a deck of cards all day long. Me thinks you put too much belief in a radio talk show host.

[dread78645]

Here's some science for you, friend. I happened to be listening to talk radio on the way to work yesterday.

Right. Talk radio is cutting edge science.

... He said that the odds of that organism evolving randomly were calculated to be 10 to the fifty thousandth power, which is basically an unfathomable number, ...

Deck of cards:

2-Hearts, 6-Diamonds, 3-Clubs, A-Spades
10-Diamonds, 9-Diamonds, 2-Diamonds, 9-Hearts
K-Hearts, 8-Diamonds, 5-Diamonds, 4-Hearts
10-Spades, 3-Hearts, 4-Clubs, Q-Hearts
3-Spades, 6-Hearts, Q-Spades, 7-Clubs
K-Clubs, 4-Spades, J-Clubs, 2-Spades
A-Hearts, 7-Diamonds, 8-Spades, 8-Hearts
J-Spades, 4-Diamonds, 9-Clubs, J-Hearts
5-Hearts, 6-Clubs, 9-Spades, 5-Spades
8-Clubs, J-Diamonds, 6-Spades, A-Clubs
2-Clubs, K-Spades, 3-Diamonds, A-Diamonds
10-Hearts, K-Diamonds, 5-Clubs, Q-Clubs
10-Clubs, 7-Spades, 7-Hearts, Q-Diamonds

That's 8.065 x 10⁶⁷

I am a God (or an alien, or some other unspecified designer).

[Non-Sequitur]

I would argue that evolution isn't in dispute, not by those who have studied the evidence. So who is the intelligent designer anyway?