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To: CarolinaGuitarman
For my own purposes the reality of the thing seems obvious enough without needing actual calculations, nonetheless calculations ARE provided on sites like evolutionisimpossible.com.

The big problem is the requirement for multiple zero-probability events for any/every kind of complex creature, e.g. for flying birds you need wings, flight feathers, the special adaptation for turning flight feathers, specialized light bone structures, super high efficiency hearts and lungs, specialized tail and balance parameters, beaks (necessary since the creature will no longer have hands to feed itself)....

Now, without knowing the exact probability for each of these adaptations arising via mutation and selection, it is still possible to say that each of the individual probabilities is some sort of an infinitessimal, and that the joint probability is gotten by multiplying all of those infinitessimals together, which amounts to some sort of tenth or twelth order infinitessimal, i.e. which can't happen by chance.

It's also possible to note that even if the first such adaptation were to occur ala Darwin, then by the time another 10,000 generations rolled around and the second such thing were to arise, the first (having been antifunctional all the while) would have either become vestigial or mutated into something else.

In other words, the entire Darwinian scenario is basically nonsensical.

440 posted on 11/10/2005 4:52:07 AM PST by anthraciterabbit
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To: anthraciterabbit
"For my own purposes the reality of the thing seems obvious enough without needing actual calculations..."

So, you don't actually need an argument or evidence to make your point. Very interesting.

" The big problem is the requirement for multiple zero-probability events for any/every kind of complex creature..."

Name one of these *zero-probability* calculations, and the assumptions behind them.

"Now, without knowing the exact probability for each of these adaptations arising via mutation and selection, it is still possible to say that each of the individual probabilities is some sort of an infinitessimal, and that the joint probability is gotten by multiplying all of those infinitessimals together, which amounts to some sort of tenth or twelth order infinitessimal, i.e. which can't happen by chance."

How is it possible to know anything about the probabilities without giving us the calculations they are allegedly based on? Why can't YOU explain them? Are you incapable of doing this on your own?

" In other words, the entire Darwinian scenario is basically nonsensical."

In other words, your whole argument is based on nonsensical *phantom* calculations.

You are living up to your reputation, Medved.
444 posted on 11/10/2005 5:57:02 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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