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I consider what you say to be nonsense...lying is lying, and you know it...its not trivial, but if just a little lie is ok with you, then so be it...it is not a trivial matter...IDers use that 'monkey' word, I believe, because it is more of a buzzword, more likely to repulse people, rather than saying 'common ancestor'...

But how do you know they are lying? It is a common perception among non-scientists that evolution states we descended from some simpler life forms and many people believe it. It you are making your statement based on known IDers you think are deliberately saying it to tick you off, that is one thing, but many non-scientists may not remember that distinction from high school if they are older or even right out of high school.

And I notice that you just had to throw in Clinton...another lame attempt to use buzzwords...well, it wont work...

Based on the number of times you said liar in one sentence, it appeared you were more interested in character assassination than discussion evolutionary or ID theories. I could be wrong.

I know that they are lying, because they constantly use the same word 'monkey', after they have been told that evolution says no such thing...yet they want to stick their fingers in their ears and pretend that no one told them any such thing...and jump from one thread to another, telling the same lie, and seeing if it will stick...now, deliberately passing on a lie, is to me, the same as lying...it does not matter if they are older, or just out of school...there are enough links given to provide them the information that they need...so there is no excuse...

No one is interested in character assassination...it is not characer assassination to call a liar on his lies...that is looking for the truth...yes you are wrong about me...one thing I like to have is the truth...and if someone deliberately lies about even a small thing, how then can I trust such a person a tell the truth about anything else?

You can try to twist my words to suit your notion of who I am...but, you are obviously wrong about me...and yes, I do mention the word 'lies', quite a lot,even if in one sentence, because that is the subject I was talking about...

To discuss evolutionary and ID theories, it is first and foremost very important to have the 'truth' of what each theory does claim...and if someone thinks that it is fine to lie about what either theory claims, I would have to disagree...

There are those who are perfectly happy to wallow in lies...and those on both sides of the ID/evolution discussion who have no compulsion about lying, even on little points, cannot be trusted to tell the truth about the other things...that is not character assassination, as you like to put it, it is just searching for the truth...