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....the biggest example is when the IDers constantly state, as a fact, that evolution states that men descended from monkeys...in spite of the fact that they have been told time and time again, that evolution says no such thing and have been given numerous links to show them how wrong they are, they continue to spread the same lie over and over again...

I am not sure why you evos make such a big deal over this. Whether evolution states that we have a common ancestor with chimps or apes or whether we descended from them is a trivial difference to make such a big deal over.

It is quite obvious that you are using that trivial difference as part of your Clinton like scorched earth policy to discredit someone as a liar who is saying something not that different from what your are saying and focusing on a trivial difference rather than dealing with the common descent assumption directly.

I can't speak for other scientists, only myself.

That is why, to me at least, it makes a difference between monkeys and apes. I know when monkeys split off the line which eventually led to humans (in fact, New and Old World monkeys split off at different times).

When scientists approach a subject, it is natural that they try to correct any errors that others make as well. And when they are deliberate errors, perhaps done to denigrade evolution, it just makes it worse.

Hope this explanation helps.

In the science I do I have been trained to root out errors as well as I can. I hate mistakes, both in my work and in other's work; and have an even lower tolerance for deliberate falsehood. A scientist who engages in deliberate falsehood is finished.

If it is deliberate I agree with you, but it should be a side note and not a hammer to bypass the larger issue of common descent which is part of the theory.

I bet if you questioned John Q Public whether Evolution said: (a) we have a common ancestor with chimps, (b) we have a common ancestor with apes,(c) we are descended from chimps, or (d) we are descended from apes, you may not get the same results as you would from the scientific community.

Hope this explanation helps.

Thanks, it does.