To: libertylover
I remember years ago a friend told me that, "All hope is lost because they are outbreeding us." His "they" was Mexicans who don't assimilate, but it's pretty much the same for the Islamofacists. Also, I believe this is the theme of one of Pat Buchanan's book, The Death of the West.
Okay, I realize that I am probably putting my foot in it, but I must point out that Catholicism (at least theoretically) is a universalist religion that doesn't really recognize national distinctions (in fact, this is one reason for its supposed superiority to Judaism). That being the case, this "we" vs. "they" talk sounds somewhat heretical. Do Mexicans have a different "gxd" than white American Catholics? Aren't Mexican Catholics the co-religionists or American White Catholics? Why do palaeo American Catholics therefore treat them like an alien enemy with an alien "gxd?"
In practice palaeo Catholics are actually more sympathetic to moslems than to Mexican Catholics since they blame American multiculturalism on "Zionism." But if Mexican and American Catholics have the same religion, how can they have different cultures?
Ultra-right American Catholics, like Black and Hispanic leftists, seem to consider race and ethnicity as the highest bond. The implication is that Catholics of different colors are basically different tribes with different religions and different "gxds," despite the official teaching of the Church. Otherwise the putting of Catholic Mexicans in the same category as moslem Algerians doesn't make sense.
29 posted on
11/08/2005 11:28:35 AM PST by
Zionist Conspirator
(Vehe'emin BeHaShem, vayachsheveha lo tzedaqah.)
To: Zionist Conspirator
The peculiarity is that the most conservative American Catholics from a theological standpoint are the most likely to support strong border controls. You would think that those who prefer the Council of Trent to Vatican II and consider the High Middle Ages as the pinnacle of "Christendom" would want a return to the open borders of medieval Europe. The modern nation state was by and large a product of the Enlightenment, when civil authority superceded ecclesiastic authority. In 1400, when Catholicism was virtually the only religion in Europe north of the Balkans, Europeans were more likely to think of themselves as Bavarians, Burgundians, and Castilians first and not as Germans, Frenchmen, or Spaniards. By the 17th Century, the Catholic Church was forced to compromise in order not to lose further territories. Thus, the king of France and the emperor of Austria could appoint or at least veto the appointment of bishops in their respective realms. National differences mattered more than religious ones. One suspects even "rad trad" white Catholics would prefer white evangelical neighbors to Hispanic Catholic ones.
To: Zionist Conspirator
The implication is that Catholics of different colors are basically different tribes with different religions and different "gxds," despite the official teaching of the Church. Otherwise the putting of Catholic Mexicans in the same category as moslem Algerians doesn't make sense.
Good point.
32 posted on
11/08/2005 12:00:37 PM PST by
rob777
To: Zionist Conspirator
"Ultra-right American Catholics, like Black and Hispanic leftists, seem to consider race and ethnicity as the highest bond."
We live in different universes.
Over here in mine, nothing in your note matches up with reality in any particular.
37 posted on
11/09/2005 8:52:03 AM PST by
dsc
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