Gay bishop attacks Catholic stand (Episcopal Vicki Gene attacks the Pope)

BBC ^ | November 6, 2005 | BBC

[nightdriver]

"What the hell is church good for???"

That about sums it up!

Gene Robinson and Rowan Williams may wear fancy livery and speak in stained-glass affectations, but they are not in the business of Christianity.

IMHO, I think the Lord is shaking things up in organized churchianity to see who is true and who is not. The last days may be closer than we realize.

[MeanWestTexan]

"Translating the Bible into vernacular was NEVER a heresy."

Oh, I know, I was being flippant in my use of "heresy." (Although there was a "heresy" squabble about an unauthorized version.) Sorry.

To explain the issue more fully, but still to over-simplify, (you really need a couple of volumes), the Anglicans were a bit too "power to the people" for Rome-at-the-times tastes: this included direct provision of Scipture to the common folk, in the common tounge (one of the several reasons for the "Anglican" moniker), the occassional non-Latin mass (a matter of dispute within the Anglican Church itself, Latin being the official preference), monks and commoners (and married priests) having positions of power, etc.

To get to root cause, it really had to do more with a deep distrust of a distant central authority and the deep-set tradition of monestaries (which were really a Celtic tradition more than a Roman tradition, although that flowed over) than anything.

[MeanWestTexan]

Well, you disagree slightly with the Anglican Church's website (and the old Book of Common Prayer I have that describes the Celtic origin of Anglican Symbols, for that matter).

http://www.anglican.org/church/ChurchHistory.html

[Cronos]

Thanks for the link, I will look through it.

[Cronos]

Not to be presumptious, but the first sentence of the link seems very wrong: It began in the sixth century in England, when Pope Gregory the Great sent St. Augustine to Britain to bring a more disciplined Apostolic succession to the Celtic Christians.

Augustine was sent to the Saxons and Angles (Pope Gregory reportedly said when he saw pagan Angle slaves that they seemed more like Angels than Angles). The Celtics would NOT proselytise to the Saxons and Angles -- they hated them for kicking the Celts out of England and restricting them to Cymru (Wales) and Cornwall. I don't see how there could be any Celtic influence until the 11th century (when the Normans had made themselves a common enemy to both the Welsh and the Saxons!)

[Cronos]

Not to be presumptious, but the first sentence of the link seems very wrong: It began in the sixth century in England, when Pope Gregory the Great sent St. Augustine to Britain to bring a more disciplined Apostolic succession to the Celtic Christians.

Augustine was sent to the Saxons and Angles (Pope Gregory reportedly said when he saw pagan Angle slaves that they seemed more like Angels than Angles). The Celtics would NOT proselytise to the Saxons and Angles -- they hated them for kicking the Celts out of England and restricting them to Cymru (Wales) and Cornwall. I don't see how there could be any Celtic influence until the 11th century (when the Normans had made themselves a common enemy to both the Welsh and the Saxons!)

[MeanWestTexan]

You would be amazed at who goes where when seeking to spread the Word.

Think Jonah and his destination.

But the Celtic influence is obvious just from a archiological (sp!) standpoint --- old Scot and Wales churches and cemetaries typically have the Celtic cross as a prominent part of the designs.

The integration is deeper than you would thnk. Even the Holy Grail/King Arthur bit is, at its heart a Celtic-sourced myth (or maybe not) --- being that Joseph of Aramathia is the (alleged/probable) founder of the Celtic Church --- the Last Supper being in his house, presumably with his dishes, making the story plausible.

[Aquinasfan]

"Pope Ratzinger may be the best thing that ever happened to the Episcopal Church."

At least he's retained his sense of humor.