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Pirates attack luxury cruise ship [New details]
Scotland on Sunday ^ | November 6, 2005 | by WILLIAM LYONS

Posted on 11/06/2005 7:39:59 AM PST by aculeus

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To: mlc9852

OK how? They were a hundred miles offshore and Somalia has the longest coastline in Africa. Please answer the question, how would YOU get from Egypt to Kenya on a ship and not pass Somalia?


61 posted on 11/06/2005 8:06:28 AM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon (A right wing Christian, not part of the Christian Right)
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To: jimbo123
The goal was to kidnap and behead the 150 Americans on-board. These "pirates" were Al Qaeada, and the goal wasn't to steal jewelry.

I think you're right. There's not that much on a cruise ship that would tempt pirates, except ransom of wealthy passengers (either cash, or freeing prisoners from Western custody), or the beheading of passengers for Al Q

I don't think passengers carry huge amounts of cash or jewelry these days

62 posted on 11/06/2005 8:07:22 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (I do what the voices in lazamataz's head tell me to)
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon

Personally, I wouldn't feel safe in that general area any time so I won't be going on a cruise there any time soon.


63 posted on 11/06/2005 8:07:30 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Well, all some enterprising cruise operator needs is a private bill granting an exemption from the machine-gun ban and letters of marque and reprisal against pirates operating in the Indian Ocean and contiguous seas, bays and gulfs.

That old Constitutiona provision about letters of marque and reprisal ought to good for something.


64 posted on 11/06/2005 8:10:51 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: aculeus

Inflatable boats against a cruise ship? A couple of shotguns would have drowned the lot.


65 posted on 11/06/2005 8:11:14 AM PST by Casloy
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Next pirate ship only need be bigger - as they are off the Indonesian straits.

Where the nearest countries patrol the area with warships.
Does this mean that when going on a cruise in certain areas of the world it is appropriate to ask what defensive measures the ship has? Is is reasonble to assume that protection against pirates is part of the expected "package"?

Finally, don't cruise ships, particularly the most exclusive kind, have the radar and sonar means to monitor when boats of any size are approaching?

As a captain, having the proper weapons on board, I would have aimed at disabling the boats and having them deal with paddling 100 miles home.

Naaaah. I would have sunk the SOB's and celebrated afterwards.

66 posted on 11/06/2005 8:11:29 AM PST by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: aculeus; All
Yo ho ho and a bottle of . . . . never mind, let's get outta here!
67 posted on 11/06/2005 8:12:40 AM PST by dighton
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To: nmh
"A few machine gun rounds would have ended that incident"

Probably. OTOH, the market for cruises where the ship needs to be armed with MG's and stuff might be unpredictable.

68 posted on 11/06/2005 8:12:41 AM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality - Miami)
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To: operation clinton cleanup; aculeus

I somehow stumbled onto this piracy issue a little while back, can't remember why. But this comes up on sailing forums, some pretty harrowing stories to be found.

People have to be armed when they take to the seas, it's bad out there on the water.

Here's one link that came up when googling:

http://www.cruiserlog.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=652


69 posted on 11/06/2005 8:12:50 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: aculeus

FYI:

Piracy prone areas and warnings

S E Asia and the Indian Sub Continent

Bangladesh : Chittagong at berth and anchorage.
India : Chennai , Kandla
Indonesia : Anambas/Natuna Island, Balikpapan, Belawan, Dumai, Gaspar/Bar/Leplia Str, Jakarta (Tg.Priok), Pulau Laut, Vicinity of Bintan Island
Malacca straits : avoid anchoring along the Indonesian coast of the straits. Coast near Aceh is particularly risky for hijackings.
Singapore Straits
Africa and Red Sea

Gulf of Aden / Southern Red Sea
Somalian waters - eastern and northeastern coasts are high-risk areas for hijackings. Ships not making scheduled calls to ports in these areas should stay away from the coast.
West Africa : Abidjan , Conakry , Dakar , Douala , Freetown, Lagos , Tema, Warri
South and Central America and the Caribbean waters

Brazil – Rio Grande
Haiti – Port au Prince
Dominican republic - Rio Haina
Jamaica - Kingston
Peru – Callao


70 posted on 11/06/2005 8:13:41 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Travis McGee

And had a damned fine captain. You gotta have confidence in a guy named Sven Eric...


71 posted on 11/06/2005 8:15:39 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: aculeus
I am surprised the following hasn't happened to a sitting duck cruise ship in that area.- tom

"Two suicide bombers detonated their explosives-packed boat next to the U.S. warship(COLE) as it refueled in Aden harbor at Yemen's southern tip, killing 17 U.S. sailors and wounding 39. "

72 posted on 11/06/2005 8:16:19 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: Beelzebubba
The reality is that the cost for this all inclusive vacation option is about $300-400 per person per day.

That is a big part of the travel industry. You want your middle-class clientele feel that they have been granted access to the elite world of the very wealthy so that they will be happy to pay (as in your example) $300 - $400 per night instead of $200 - $300. There's nothing wrong with that, it's human nature to put the best face on your product and for the consumer to want the best they can afford. I just find it amusing when people talk as if they expect to find Gates and Trump in the 400 square foot cabin next door.
73 posted on 11/06/2005 8:16:24 AM PST by JayNorth
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To: operation clinton cleanup
This ship was pretty far off shore from what I understand... how on Earth did these "pirates" find it? Were they just out joyriding and stumbled across it?

The odds of that are minuscule.
This cruise ship had already stopped at a few sandmaggot ports and I am sure its speed, course and itinerary were aboard those inflatables. Even sandmaggots can learn to use GPS.

74 posted on 11/06/2005 8:17:31 AM PST by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: operation clinton cleanup

"This ship was pretty far off shore from what I understand... how on Earth did these "pirates" find it? Were they just out joyriding and stumbled across it?"

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That is answered in something that I just now found:

"Masters should bear in mind the possibility that attackers are monitoring ship-to-shore communications and using intercepted information to select their targets. Caution should, therefore, be exercised when transmitting information on cargo or valuables on board by radio in areas where attacks occur."

from a pdf file:

http://www.imo.org/includes/blast_bindoc.asp?doc_id=941&format=PDF

found at:
http://powerandmotoryacht.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=828


75 posted on 11/06/2005 8:19:28 AM PST by texasbluebell
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To: texasbluebell
On my honeymoon cruise in 1994 off the Florida Keys, our ship stopped and picked up a bunch of Haitians from a raft. Guess there is some kind of law that required them to pick up people in distress rather than call the Coast Guard. Maybe these pirates should have just sent out an S.O.S. to the cruise ship....
76 posted on 11/06/2005 8:19:28 AM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Publius6961
In the small ports (even in the Caribbean islands) literally hundreds of little boats come past (within a few hundred feet) cruise ships every day while in port/approaching port.

You couldn't threaten all of them with weapons from the ship.

BUT - The cruise ship should be armed. And it is a legitimate question. (Before you buy.)
77 posted on 11/06/2005 8:20:06 AM PST by Robert A Cook PE (-I contribute to FR monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS supports Hillary's Secular Sexual Socialism every day.)
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To: Beelzebubba
"This really plays up the class envy angle, to a factually dishonest degree"

Yeah, it does. I'm sure it's seen as especially unfair that some people get to spend thousands on luxurious cruising, especially when that money is unfairly taken from the world's limited financial resources and could have been "distributed" to the poor. Not that it matters how many jobs are created by the demand for luxury, or that even the poor dream of luxury, I'm sure the people working in those jobs would be so much better off staying at home and just having the funds distributed to them by a bureaucracy. 'Course some people would get stuck actually *working* for the bureaucracy, but that's life, I guess.

78 posted on 11/06/2005 8:20:37 AM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality - Miami)
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To: aculeus

Arrrrrgh. Hand over the booty or it's the plank fo ya.


79 posted on 11/06/2005 8:21:33 AM PST by SALChamps03
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To: operation clinton cleanup

The RPG on one of those little boats might have given them away though. If the cruise ship crew spotted it in time, that is...

The high seas are still ruled by Barbary Pirates, it seems!


80 posted on 11/06/2005 8:21:44 AM PST by texasbluebell
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