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To: OneLoyalAmerican
History of ISLAM??? Oh boy you stepped in it now. Please explain to me, genocide in Armenia, Conquest of Byzantium, Conquest of Christian Spain and Christian Egypt. Also the religion of PEACE seems to like beheading people on tape, and massacring Sudanese Christians. They also do not like to play nice in all Islam nations such as Indonesia, even though they have it all they cant get along. There is also the business of the first invasion of France in 732 AD long before the Crusades of 1096, did the crusades provoke them? Oh wait that was more than 300 years before them. What about the near extinction of Zoroastrians by Islam? Maybe the bombings in India or the insane antics of 9/11, how about ISRAEL??? Now I would be inclined to believe that Islam was peaceful if they didn't have the tendency to bully every neighbor into conflict. Can you answer me why Muslims under Muhammad butchered 800 Jewish captives and then had sex with a 9 year old girl? Chechnya, enough said. The Taliban??? Islamic Jihad? Hezzbola? Hamas? Al Qaeda? And I'm sure you would be surprised to find out the Muzzies DID manage to attempt to invade china and forced conversion of Mongols to Islam.

"Many Muslim historians look upon the Mongols as looters and plunderers. They tell us that the Mongols were like the vandals, destroying everything on the way with the only aim to loot established rich civilizations. And the civilization of the Muslims at Baghdad was, the Muslims claim, the richest in the 13th century. This is wrong, while Baghdad was a rich and well endowed city, the Caliphate owed its riches to the constant looting of Persia, Central Asia, North Africa, Spain which the Muslim armies indulged from the beginning of Islam, till they were checked by Charles Martel in France and till their brutal; march across Central Asia towards China was reversed with equal brutality by the Mongols. If the Mongols were motivated purely by intentions of looting the Caliphate (which itself was a center where loot was collected and stored by the Muslims), the Mongols need not have traversed some four thousand miles from their homeland in Mongolia, to reach Baghdad, they could have as well attacked China which was hardly a few hundred miles from their homeland and was more rich and endowed than Baghdad.

The real reason why the Mongol horsemen made their way from Mongolia and started rolling back the Muslim from areas which are today known as Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, finally reaching Iran, and Iraq, lay in the subterfuge, savage cruelty and other foul tactics which the Muslims had used to convert the Turks and Mongols to Islam"

http://www.historyofjihad.org/mongolia.html

"Many eyebrows would be raised when we talk of a Muslim Jihad against China. When did that happen, we never hear about Muslim rule in China. Yes there was a Muslim invasion of China. As there was of Persia, India, Byzantium, Spain, Balkans, etc. None of these countries had ever attacked a Muslim nation to bring about a retaliatory Muslim invasion. They has all been invaded by Muslims to compel the inhabitants to embrace Islam. The Dawat-ul-Islam (Invitation to embrace Islam) was sent out to the king of the neighboring country, and if they did not submit to one of the two conditions viz: “Embrace Islam or Pay the Jaziya or face a Muslim invasion,, then they had to face a Muslim jihadi onslaught. China was one of those counties who had been sent an invitation by the founder of Islam himself Mohammed-ibn-Abadullah to embrace Islam. This invitation had also been sent to three other kings of Zoroastrian Persia, of Christian Byzantine and to a king of Hindu Kerala in India. The Chinese emperor did not quite understand the meaning of the ultimatum and thought that these were messengers from a far away land bringing a spiritual message. The Chinese had to come face to face with the real danger of Islam a century later when in the year 751, they had to march to the borders of their empire in Eastern China to check an Arab invasion launched from Persia.

For much of the early 700s, the Chinese Empire, under the T'ang dynasty, was successful in its foreign affairs. They recovered crucial lands they had previously lost and stabilized the Tibetan frontier. They secured trade routes through central Asia and contained threats from the Khitan and Hsi peoples. In the late 740s, Chinese troops claimed lordship over Kabul and Kashmir of India. But their string of victorious campaigns could not last forever, as China discovered at Talas River in 751.

Islam's widespread aggression through Persia and Central Asia came into collusion with China's Westward expansion into Central Asia. This led to the meeting of the two expansionist powers in Central Asia which finally erupted into pen warfare at the Battle at Talas River, the only battle between Arab Muslim forces and the army of the Chinese Empire. The Chinese troops were led by Kao Hsien-chih, who had been successful in battles in Gilgit and in the Farghana region. The Muslims were led by Ziyad ibn Salih, who was deputy to Abu Muslim (a Persian convert to Islam), with a band of 40,000 Ghazis (warriors crazed by Islam’s promise of wealth, women or martyrdom in heaven where the ghazis would be served by the many houris that the Terrorist Manifesto – the Quran). These Ghazis came to China to wage a Jihad on the Chinese. When the Arab army marched from the south towards Talas. River, the Chinese general Kao (of Korean origin), decided to resist the Muslim invasion and marched towards Aulie-Ata on the Talas river with 100,000 Chinese troops in cavalry and infantry divisions.

In the Battle of the Talas river, the Qarluq Betrayal led to the defeat of the Chinese at Arab hands

On July 10th 751 AD the Arab and Chinese armies took to the field in Aulie-Ata on the backs of the Talas river. The Chinese cavalry seemed to initially overwhelm the Arab cavalry, but the Arabs had worked out a deal with one of the many Turkish contingents of the Chinese army viz., the Qarluq Turks, by promising them wealth and freedom in return for embracing Islam and betraying their Chinese masters. The Qarluqs who held a grudge against the Chinese for having reduced them to vassalage, viewed this as an opportunity to throw off the Chinese yoke by using the Arabs and had planned to later throwing off the Arab yoke as well and regaining their freedom from both the Chinese and the Arabs. The Qarluqs later played the main role in converting other Turkish tribes notably the Seljuks to Islam. At the Battle of the Talas river, the Qarluqs betrayed their own people the Chinese and went over to the Arabs At the battle of the Talas river where the Arab and the Chinese armies clashed, the Qarluqs who were a part of the Chinese army, opened a breach in their own ranks and allowed the Arabs to ford the river and helped them to encircle a part of the Chinese infantry butchering it to man. The Qarluq archers then surrounded their paymaster the general of the Chinese army Kao and shot him down. Now the Arabs followed their heinous practice of sticking the d\severe head of an enemy and parading it before the enemy army. The Chinese not being used to such grisly war tactics, fell into confusion and disarray, not knowing who had betrayed them, and their General Kao. They broke ranks and fell into confusion, shaking the Chinese center, which was rapidly assaulted by the Arab heavy cavalry and destroyed. Thus due to Muslim subterfuge and savagery the infallible Chinese war machine gave way under combined assault of the Arabs and the traitor Qarluqs, and they faced a heavy rout. From behind the treacherous Qarluqs fell upon the Chinese animals, baggage trains and supplies carrying away all they could and receded back into the steppe."

http://www.historyofjihad.org/china.html

131 posted on 11/05/2005 9:39:48 PM PST by Xenophon450 (In a world of spoonfed emotion, intelligence can save.)
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To: Xenophon450
Greetings Xenophon450:

The White House pays proper respect for people of Muslim culture and/or faith by issuing an Eid greeting. Many Muslim culture nations reciprocate with both Christmas and Easter greetings to Christians of the world.

And we should not condemn all Muslims for the absurd actions of a few.

Cheers,
OLA

134 posted on 11/05/2005 10:06:57 PM PST by OneLoyalAmerican (Even if your mother says she loves you, check it out.)
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