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To: moehoward

"I follow the words in the Constitution. It's nice to be able to seek out the authors intent behind those words when so many today seek to warp those words into something other than intended."

This is a respectable position. I notice that you haven't taken up the charge that Marbury v. Madison was not a "usurpation", which is good and consistent with your originalist position on the 14th Amendment.

With Marbury and judicial review of acts for constitutionality, we know what the Founders intended, because the same Founders who wrote the Constitution and ratified it sat on the Supreme Court and in Congress and the White House, and handed down and acquiesced to Marbury.
This fits the discussion of the role of the judiciary as referee spoken of by Madison, especially, in The Federalist.

Is baby anchoring the original intent of the 14th Amendment?
No. Its intent was to make sure that freed blacks were citizens of the US and the States, and could be deprived of rights by neither federal nor state law.
We know that from the ratification discussion of Sen. Howard among others.

Is judicial review the original intent of the judiciary power?
Yes. We know that because Hamilton and Madison alluded to it in The Federalist, before the Constitution was ratified, and we know it because the same Founders who fought the Revolution and ratified the Constitution handed down Marbury and acquiesced to it.

Of the two principles, judicial constitutional review is the more important, and it is because of that review that a law that seeks to say that babies born in the US aren't Americans is very likely to be struck down by the Supreme Court.

If you want to take away birthright, you've got to do that by constitutional amendment.


285 posted on 11/04/2005 1:43:28 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Vicomte13

Marbury was a case of a new entity walking a tight-wire of future relevance. JMO.

I do not believe we need an amendment, rather an accurate interpretation of "subject to the jurisdiction". Also JMO.


288 posted on 11/04/2005 2:04:30 PM PST by moehoward
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