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To: papertyger

I meant what I said. I'm surprised you didn't call them lesbians. Usually men making the accusations that you have DO call girls lesbians. Nothing duplicitious about that. Your first statement about this was to call the girls 'plain' and call their appearance into question. Plain or not, these tee shirts are offensive and degrading to women. If that makes me plain so be it.


83 posted on 11/04/2005 4:06:32 PM PST by cyborg (I'm on the 24 plan having the best day ever.)
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To: cyborg
Usually men making the accusations that you have DO call girls lesbians. Nothing duplicitious about that.

Yes, there is. I have a long history here, much of which you have observed in agreement, and disagreement. We both know you can point to no specific incident where I've made such a leap.

You castigate me based on your assertion "usually men...do...," when the statement you are castigating me for is essentially "usually women do." And you say that's not duplicitous?

Your first statement about this was to call the girls 'plain' and call their appearance into question. Plain or not, these tee shirts are offensive and degrading to women. If that makes me plain so be it.

First off, if you search my posts to you, you will see I have specifically complimented you on your appearance in the past, so infering I've insulted your appearance is simply a smoke screen.

Next, I made no judgement about whether or not these shirts were or were not offensive and degrading. My speculation was that one would likely find those *crusading against* these shirts were never under any real jeopardy of being objectified for their appearance. As it turns out, my conjecture was borne out.

The opposite of love is not hate: it's indifference. In like manner, those who disapprove of wearing such shirts would likely ignore them. Those who seek to prevent others from wearing them are likely mocked by them.

Lastly, I used the term "plain."

"Plain" is *not* using the term "lesbians." It is not using the term "feminazis." And it's certainly not using the term "ugly." What is your rationale for making such an inflammatory substitution?

84 posted on 11/04/2005 5:05:03 PM PST by papertyger
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