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Still Great News in the Battleground Poll
Intellectual Conservative ^ | 11-03-05 | Bruce Walker - Commentary & Analysis

Posted on 11/03/2005 2:53:40 PM PST by smoothsailing

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To: xcamel

And Cleveland, not to be outdone, voted THRICE! Still didn't help the Surrender Monkey from Massachusetts.


21 posted on 11/03/2005 3:35:08 PM PST by ssaftler
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To: Carry_Okie

Not in 2004....both bases were pretty equally mobilized. I work in Philadelphia and it was literally a zoo. I'm assuming a similar situation occurred in other Blue states as well. Not many lines but oddly enough, Philly voted at 100% of registered voters, with 80% going to Kerry. Except for Philly and one or two suburbs, and Allegheny County which encompasses Pittsburg, the rest of the state is pretty strongly Red. In those areas, there were lines in which people waited for hours (I guess the reason that there weren't lines in the city is that dead people don't have to wait.)


22 posted on 11/03/2005 3:35:55 PM PST by MarcusTulliusCicero
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To: COEXERJ145
And Bush came within the same number of votes of winning 5 or 6 more states.

Still closer than the number above would indicate.

23 posted on 11/03/2005 3:36:14 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate is the fifth column.)
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To: smoothsailing

The number of Americans who call themselves "conservative" or "very conservative" increased by two percentage points to sixty-one percent, as high as it has ever been in any Battleground Poll.



Interesting..... Now I wonder how this compares with exit polling done of those who actually voted?


24 posted on 11/03/2005 3:37:16 PM PST by deport
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To: Carry_Okie
How do these numbers explain John Kerry coming within 60,000 votes of winning an election?

Did Kerry actively campaign as a Liberal? NO. His whole campaign, backed up by a Billion dollar free advertising campaign in the Dinosaurs Media, was based wholly on "Hate Bush always". All his plans were "secret". He never actually came out and said what HE would do.

25 posted on 11/03/2005 3:37:43 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Merry Alitomas!)
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To: MarcusTulliusCicero
Philly voted at 100% of registered voters, with 80% going to Kerry.

Imagine that. The Slave Party must really have command of the numbers in order not to exceed the limit.

Just think: if they were as good at running a government or a business as they are at manufacturing votes those thugs might be in power.

26 posted on 11/03/2005 3:39:40 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate is the fifth column.)
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To: MNJohnnie
Did Kerry actively campaign as a Liberal? NO.

That was so patently transparent that you would have to assume people were too stupid to see through it.

27 posted on 11/03/2005 3:40:41 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate is the fifth column.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Philly is a world unto itself, in many ways even worse than NYC. After all, our current mayor's numbers went up AFTER it was disclosed that the Feds had bugged his office.


28 posted on 11/03/2005 3:49:23 PM PST by MarcusTulliusCicero
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To: deport
I guess if there's a message here it's although 61% consider themselves conservative many of them don't vote Republican.

This is the paradox the Republican Party must deal with, will they attempt to expand their base by becoming more conservative or to try to attract "moderates"(whatever that means) and "liberals" ( a fool's errand).

29 posted on 11/03/2005 4:13:01 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: uncbob

W's administration does a very VERY poor job in defending itself. If the Bush administration had a better marketing strategy, he would sit at 60% approval. There's no good reason for the Iraq war to be in doubt popular approval wise, there's no good reason for Social Security reform to be D.O.A., there's no good reason for school vouchers to be improbable politically. Bush just doesn't fight for his policies or his administration, he and Rove are just enamored w/ the rope a dope strategy, yet at some point these things need to be *solved*. Social Security, standards in education, energy independence, you have to hit back in order to solve these problems.

Plus, we can mock Kerry's liberal record, but he desperately tried to run as a centrist, and probably came off as such to at least a million voters who voted for him.


30 posted on 11/03/2005 5:15:35 PM PST by 0siris
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To: 0siris

Can't argue with your evaluation of the Bush Administration at all

Maddening ain't it


31 posted on 11/03/2005 5:20:41 PM PST by uncbob
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To: MarcusTulliusCicero
Except for Philly and one or two suburbs, and Allegheny County which encompasses Pittsburg, the rest of the state is pretty strongly Red.

If that is the case, then allowing Philly wardheelers to hijack the election in that manner just made all you red voters irrelevant.

32 posted on 11/03/2005 5:24:58 PM PST by thulldud (It's bad luck to be superstitious.)
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To: smoothsailing

I guess if there's a message here it's although 61% consider themselves conservative many of them don't vote Republican.



If it's truly 61% then many of them don't vote at all if exit polling is any indicator.

The exit polling for 04 showed that the party breakout was 37% D/R and 26% I. Ideology went Conservative 34%, Moderate 45% and Liberal 21% with 15% of the Conservatives voting for Kerry. White evangelical Christians were 23% of the voting group with 21% voting for Kerry.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html


33 posted on 11/03/2005 5:27:08 PM PST by deport
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To: deport
Thanks.

That's some sobering info in the tracking poll. The Republicans obviously have work to do.

34 posted on 11/03/2005 5:41:40 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: thulldud

Yes, it did. And year after year after year, the Republican party just turns their head and shrugs, puts up the same candidate (Sam Katz has run for mayor the last two elections), does no detectable voter outreach (until maybe 2 months before the election. That last one is actually the killer, I think. The Republican Party in Pennsylvania (but also I think nationally, as well) regards voter outreach as something only to be done at election time. While it's true that election time is when most people pay attention to the issues, the time in between is when you need to be laying all the groundwork and actually educating people about how you're supposedly different from the other party or parties. The Philadelphia vote is one reason that Ed Rendell is Governor at the moment (another being that the Republicans ran a candidate who would have made Al Gore seem animated!)


35 posted on 11/03/2005 7:10:10 PM PST by MarcusTulliusCicero
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To: Carry_Okie
How do these numbers explain John Kerry coming within 60,000 votes of winning an election?

You mean if Kerry would have won Ohio where President Bush won by 118000 votes.

With this logic President Bush would have won PA if he got 75000 votes more, and WI if he got 6000 votes more, and MN if he got 5000 votes more. This is a total 41 electoral votes compare to Ohio 20 electoral votes. In fact MN and WI together have the same electoral votes as Ohio.

36 posted on 11/03/2005 7:27:32 PM PST by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: jveritas
With this logic President Bush would have won PA if he got 75000 votes more...

Your point is immaterial my questioning the content of the article, and in fact reinforces what I was saying: Were the fraction of self-professed "conservatives" as high as is indicated in the article, the election would not have been as close as it was.

37 posted on 11/03/2005 7:35:27 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: IronJack
It all comes down to this: do you want a nice guy who lies to you, or a ba$tard who tells you the truth?

Succint.

38 posted on 11/03/2005 7:36:53 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: smoothsailing

BUMP


39 posted on 11/03/2005 7:38:43 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: IronJack

That's an excellent analysis - - quick and to the point.
Liberals do have an easier sell - - "free" stuff for everybody except "the rich".
Is it any wonder they like to control the education mafia?


40 posted on 11/03/2005 7:41:41 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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