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IS TEACHING TRADITIONAL "HISTORY" HISTORY AT CARSON HIGH SCHOOL?
Common Voice ^ | 11.02.05 | Chuck Muth

Posted on 11/03/2005 2:04:14 PM PST by Coleus

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To: Coleus

Carson High School Principal Fred Perdomo
Carson City School Superintendent Mary Pierczynski
Carson City School Board President James Hukari

Who ARE these people?? Does anyone know anything about their credentials to run a school district?? Are they all recently-graduated campus-radicals? How old are they? Where do these freak school-board member come from?? This stuff is going on all over the U.S. and I can't figure out how this happens.


21 posted on 11/03/2005 3:36:03 PM PST by hardworking (Hey, what do I know? I'm just one of the 'ordinary people' who has to earn a living.)
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To: Coleus

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1514819/posts


22 posted on 11/03/2005 3:37:20 PM PST by Born Conservative (Prince Charles is Camilla Parker Bowles' tampon - MadIvan)
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To: Coleus

I always thought US History ended in 1919 since my two classes never got past WWI.


23 posted on 11/03/2005 3:37:57 PM PST by bigsigh
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To: H. Paul Pressler IV

Interesting post. Could you elaborate on why they chose the civil war period and the trade offs involved. For example there are only so many history classes you can take in high school with a great deal of territory to cover. Is the idea to focus on post civil war a way to get some depth as opposed to a broad view with little detail. I'm not seeing this as a conservative v liberal issue at all despite the effort to galvanize support for this teacher from the conservative side. The use of the civil war creates a gut reaction that I don't think is true. If they touch on our earlier history in middle school I'd be more inclined to write this off. Additionally it seems college is where you pick your history classes from a broad offering to suit your tastes.


24 posted on 11/03/2005 3:38:06 PM PST by Bogeygolfer
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To: hardworking

See: No Child Left Behind
Standardized Testing


25 posted on 11/03/2005 3:38:21 PM PST by H. Paul Pressler IV
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To: Born Conservative

thanks, I should have done a title search on fr instead of a google search. Sometimes google lets me down.


26 posted on 11/03/2005 3:38:55 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: H. Paul Pressler IV

Don't give me that. Here in OH we have standardized tests too, and I've taught at every grade level 7th through 12th, then college. Just because you HAVE to teach "x" doesn't mean you can't also teach "y." That's a cop out. And you know who to blame for that.


27 posted on 11/03/2005 3:45:10 PM PST by LS
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To: easymoney
They teach US before 1877 in Middle School. So therefore it is covered but done so so that your average 8th grader can pass. It is not more difficult than Who was the First President or how the Bad White Man killed all them Indians.

My take on why 11th grade US History only covers 1877 to the present is that early US History is more difficult for the kids. They would have to know 'boring' stuff about the Articles of Confederation and all those boring Presidents before Lincoln.

In US 1877 to present I cover a little about Reconstruction, the Progressive Era, WWI, the 1920's, the Depression, WWII and so on. The subjects are much more relevant and we want the Kids to score High on their Standardized Tests so that the Educational system does not look like it is failing.
28 posted on 11/03/2005 3:47:25 PM PST by H. Paul Pressler IV
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To: LS
I teach what I have to teach but I do manage to get in a few extras like the Constitution, the Revolution and Civil War.

However, very brief.


The Bush-Kennedy NCLB may very well destroy education in America.
29 posted on 11/03/2005 3:51:02 PM PST by H. Paul Pressler IV
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To: Coleus

No problem. Thanks for the ping. Glad to see that they are physically getting the "message".


30 posted on 11/03/2005 3:51:44 PM PST by Born Conservative (Prince Charles is Camilla Parker Bowles' tampon - MadIvan)
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To: H. Paul Pressler IV

I had to take tests like that in Ohio in 1996. And I was REQUIRED to pass that test in order to graduate. Blaming Bush makes no sense.


31 posted on 11/03/2005 3:52:48 PM PST by buckeye27
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To: saquin

No it's a "refresher" for AP students because the AP test actually TESTS that period of time.


32 posted on 11/03/2005 3:53:54 PM PST by buckeye27
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Today there are National Standards that are a result of NCLB passed in 2002. Prior to NCLB some states had Statewide standards while others did not.


33 posted on 11/03/2005 3:56:21 PM PST by H. Paul Pressler IV
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To: LS

I bought this book for my son who now is in college. His American History textbook at college leaves out so much information that my son was amazed. He uses "A Patriot's History of the US" to make sure that he has the whole story.


34 posted on 11/03/2005 3:58:05 PM PST by Sioux-san (God save the Sheeple)
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No it's a "refresher" for AP students because the AP test actually TESTS that period of time.

Look, this is a niggling little point that I don't want to argue over but the piece (which is not very strong on facts but alludes to them obliquely) clearly talks about the "refresher" as separate from the AP classes.

"...other than a little optional "refresher" at the beginning of the school year or if you're in an Advanced Placement class.

"Or" is the operative word in that sentence.

35 posted on 11/03/2005 4:21:08 PM PST by saquin
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This points out a problem with "No Child Left Behind" and the testing craze currently sweeping public education; way too much micromanagement by administrators.

Teaching has moved from a creative profession and changed into a type of test-prep. service. The administrators dictate the courses, material, curriculum, pace and the results. PC politicos at the state level pick the curriculum, which they chose in response to pressure from various vocal interest groups.

Teachers are now full time tutors for the slowest kids, who can no longer be "left behind", and the smartest kids are not challenged in the least.

Accountability for schools is OK, but micro management just takes away initiative, creativity, enjoyment and energy.
36 posted on 11/03/2005 4:34:00 PM PST by Wiseghy (Discontent is the want of self-reliance: it is infirmity of will. – Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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Thanks. Glad it is helping him. If he needs material for papers, make sure to go to our references and notes. They are the most recent scholarship.


37 posted on 11/03/2005 6:36:56 PM PST by LS
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I teach American History Honors (10th grade) and college level here in FL, land of the FCAT. We ignore the standardized test and teach the students the facts AND how to think about them.

My students are currently preparing their proposals for our annual Constitutional Convention. Nothing imprints the beauty of the American system more than having them experience it for themselves. Active learning has nothing to do with state-mandated pap for content or a standardized test.

PS My students know Lincoln never freed a single slave.


38 posted on 02/17/2006 12:50:38 PM PST by Griff55
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To: H. Paul Pressler IV

As a former US history teacher, I don't see how you can just start with the Civil War without giving the constitutional/political background on the slavery issue and states' rights. I assume you do not just start with the election of Lincoln.


39 posted on 02/17/2006 12:59:10 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Coleus

Seems to me, the PARENTS of the kids he teaches and the kids themselves need to have a 'come to Jesus' meeting with the Principal and the Superintendent.


40 posted on 02/17/2006 1:07:18 PM PST by SuziQ
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