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To: GreenFreeper
However, this is a key line: Despite the economic advantages of eco-friendly neighborhoods, governments and developers have been slow to embrace them, possibly because they take longer to build, according to Jim Miller.

Okay, they're throwing out numbers on cost savings, but if the units take longer to build, there are costs associated with those delays. The most significant impact on costs is going to be labor, and I'm not sure this article isn't playing a bit fast and loose with the figures.

I'm a bit skeptical, because yes, maybe material costs went down, however, a longer time span to build means substantial increases in labor costs.

7 posted on 11/03/2005 1:17:22 PM PST by stylin_geek (Liberalism: comparable to a chicken with its head cut off, but with more spastic motions)
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To: stylin_geek
.....and I'm not sure this article isn't playing a bit fast and loose with the figures.

I wouldn't doubt it but I would imagine over the long haul the energy savings, combined with the material savings, would result in net lower costs. The difference is in who retains those savings.

9 posted on 11/03/2005 1:22:30 PM PST by GreenFreeper (Not blind opposition to progress, but opposition to blind progress)
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To: stylin_geek
It seems to me that the Longer to build issue is a result of the need to rework jurisdictional building code to permit the environmental/cost saving measures.

Old Professor's note about AES building swamps sounds like the natural result of eliminating the storm drains, just run the water into the green belt/open area. Here in CA like as not, the water will evaporate or percolate into the soil but in New Orleans.....

26 posted on 11/03/2005 1:42:20 PM PST by BoneHead
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To: stylin_geek
I'm a bit skeptical, because yes, maybe material costs went down, however, a longer time span to build means substantial increases in labor costs.

I think the longer time involved was not in the actual construction phase, but the time it took the developers to get city hall to issue the variances and zoning changes required to do it in an eco friendly way. Once all the permits and such were in place, I'm sure construction went at a normal rate.

And yes, as a true conservative, I don't have a problem with conserving land, forests, greenspace. This article points to a way of doing that that is economical from a fiscal point of view without being environazi about it, and that's the way these things should be addressed.

It's a start.

58 posted on 11/03/2005 8:40:25 PM PST by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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