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To: rhombus

"And your point is?"

That in 1979 that the maximum downside was the loss of our "ally" and taking over the U.S. embassy. Khomeni decimated what was left of the Shah's army.

Today we are in a shooting war and Saudi Arabia and Pakistan would have a lot to give to the other side. Pakistan even has nuclear technology while the Saudis have American technology and training.

So I think simplistic judgments in either direction are dangerous - we can't just say "they are out allies and it doesn't matter what they do internally" nor can we just say "they are dictators with poor human rights records so we have to abandon them."

But complex views and nuanced approaches tend to just get whomever suggests them attacked by both extremes who want simple solutions.


62 posted on 11/03/2005 7:59:21 AM PST by gondramB
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To: gondramB
OK you call for "nuance"... where have I heard those platitudes before? Oh yes, the billionnaire who voted to invade Iraq and thought he deserved to be President last year becuase "he'll do better". Well you started this thread with the following condemnation of America for supporting the Shaw during the Cold War with the following:

You would think we would have learned more from that situation.

When I pointed out that we have learned and gave examples where we took a stronger more principled stand you countered with the usual liberal wave of the hand and brought up Saudi Arabia and China. I said in good time and suggested diplomacy is being tried there for now. Now you proclaim the complexities of today's dangerouos world and talk about nuances. So which is it, was supporting the Shaw during the Cold War hypocritical or nuanced?

67 posted on 11/03/2005 8:09:29 AM PST by rhombus
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