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To: Smokin' Joe
Moving them to a lab would not necessarily get rid of the parasites, virii, etc..

First of all, generally, yes, it would, especially over several controlled matings, the ability to observe and assay embryos, in vitro fertilizations, etc.

Might the incompatibility be due to another organism, parasitic or otherwise, that the other frog population had not been exposed to affecting interpopulational fertility?

No. It's not fertility that's affected. It's a developmental problem in the offspring. Southern females and northern males have lots of babies - the babies don't (can't) develop into adults because of genetic deficiencies.

Consider also that their research is based on comparative molecular studies between the mitochondrial DNA of the northern frogs and the southern frogs. You mentioned Occam's razor. Is it more likely that an external force is causing such differences between them (especially developmental problems) or that the observable differential molecular sequence is causing a differential phenotype? :)

248 posted on 11/03/2005 3:14:15 AM PST by staterightsfirst
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To: staterightsfirst
Wrong question. Is it more likely that these frogs have taken a unusually fast track to evolve into separate species or is an external factor causing embryonic and 'early childhood' developmental problems for the populations? I believe it was a nematode or some such which was causing frogs to develop extra limbs and other malformations here in the states. Industrial pollution (pesticides?) got the rap first, but turned out to not be the case. For instance, in this article fungus is cited as a problem.

Here, extra legs and here Scientific American, page 2 mentions parasites other causes are noted.

It takes no great leap to find potential for attribution here, well outside of aberrantly rapid evolution. Isolated populations will be exposed to different environmental factors, including vegetation, chemicals (natural and manmade, the latter in precipitation or runoff) and quite possibly different pathogens. One population exposed to a chemical (natural or manmade) or a pathogen, be it viral, bacterial, fungal, or parasitic, will naturally successfully breed only those who can adapt to or are resistant to that pathogen or chemical and still produce viable young.

That change could handily occur in just a few generations, not even 8000 years.

The other population, not exposed, might not fare as well if the pathogen or traces of the chemical are transferred in the act of breeding and that population has little or no natural resistance to the pathogen.

250 posted on 11/03/2005 5:29:12 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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