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To: lewislynn
Boortz and Linder's book is a proven fraud

In my view, a fraud is something that is perpetrated to deceive on purpose. I'm 100% certain Boortz and Linder sincerely believe they've found a way to eliminate the IRS and the income tax (which hampers those of us still TRYING to get rich, NOT the rich), and are sincerely trying to get people to even THINK ABOUT getting rid of them.

If you're saying there are things in the book that are UNCLEAR, well, you're absolutely right. But what they've been putting on their respective websites are CLARIFICATIONS NOT retractions, best I can tell. Do YOU want to find a way to eliminate the income tax? Even if you don't, can you find it in your heart to cheer on those who do?

48 posted on 11/02/2005 7:03:41 PM PST by FreeKeys ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax." -- Albert Einstein)
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To: FreeKeys; lewislynn
Do YOU want to find a way to eliminate the income tax?

I can honestly say that in the last year of debating this guy he has never come across as anything but a profiteer of the status quo regarding the IT.

52 posted on 11/02/2005 7:11:12 PM PST by groanup (shred for Ian)
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To: FreeKeys
JORGENSON EXPLODES FAIRTAX MYTH (FR Exclusive)
From: Dale Jorgenson [mailto:djorgenson@harvard.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:28 AM
To: Rob xxx
Re: Fair Tax- Is your 1995-6 Testimony being misrepresented by Boortz/Linder book?

August 24

Dear Rob,

A more reasonable interpretation of my 1996 testimony is that workers would keep that after-tax pay; producers' prices would fall, but retail prices would be increased by the national retail sales tax. Any gains by workers and investors would be the result of increase economic efficiency.

[He then went on to recommend his book called LIFTING THE BURDEN, about another tax reform plan he calls Efficient Taxation]

Best,
Dale

I wanted to be perfectly clear what he was saying, so I asked him to clarify his email:

At 06:41 PM 8/24/2005 -0400, you wrote:
Dr. Jorgenson,

Excuse me for my lack of understanding of your answer, when you say "workers would keep that after-tax pay" are you saying that if they are making $1000 a week now, and paying $200 payroll+income taxes now, that under the FairTax you were assuming that workers would get paid $800 and keep all of that? Or are you saying that you meant they would make $1000 under the FairTax?

Regards,
Rob xxx Dr Jorgenson responded:

August 24

Dear Rob,

I am saying that the worker would continue to receive the after-tax amount of $800. Prices received by producers would decline to cover the cost of after-tax wages to workers and after-tax dividends and interest to investors. However, taxes paid at the retail level would include the Fair Tax.

Best,
Dale

A simple e-mail from an obscure citizen does what a Congressman and a radio host profiting from a book and thousands of lemming Fairtaxers wouldn't do...

The book and the years of lying about 20%+ price reductions AND 100% paychecks while using Jorgenson's name for the source is nothing less than fraud....

70 posted on 11/03/2005 8:51:19 AM PST by lewislynn (Status quo today is the result of eliminating the previous status quo. Be careful what you wish for)
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To: FreeKeys
If you're saying there are things in the book that are UNCLEAR, well, you're absolutely right. But what they've been putting on their respective websites are CLARIFICATIONS NOT retractions, best I can tell.

Well they have completely backed off and retracted your quote in post 25.

81 posted on 11/03/2005 5:44:43 PM PST by Always Right
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