'Design' Vs. Darwin

cbs news ^ | Oct. 23, 2005 | ??

[flevit]

Rita Braver examines the controversy over "intelligent design," on CBS News Sunday Morning.

There are questions, Braver observes, we cannot stop asking: Who are we? Where did we come from? Why are we here? There have never been any easy answers, or universal agreement.

[flevit]

yet another one, (remove if duplicate)

[mlc9852]

Well, at least the MSM is picking up on it now.

[rob777]

"Oh, absolutely," Ham answers, "because, you know, the Bible teaches that God made land animals on day six, alongside of Adam and Eve."






I do not think that Genesis is referring to literal 24 hour days. A day from God's perspective is not the same as a day from ours. Like the theory of Relativity, the Bible sees time as relative to one's perspective. The point of Genesis is that the universe came about over a period of time as part of a plan and humans were the culmination of that plan.

[flevit]

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/1101genesis_history.asp

if your interested in the case for a plainly written history in Genesis.

[Coyoteman]

"You basically say in this museum that dinosaurs and human beings existed at the same time?" Braver asks.

"Oh, absolutely," Ham answers

Another rocket scientist placemarker.

[orionblamblam]

As an actual rocket scientist, I resent that.

[orionblamblam]

"The Seattle-based Discovery Institute, cradle of the intelligent design theory, produced a video saying, "There is, in fact, no entity in the known universe that stores and processes information more efficiently than the DNA molecule. Every DNA has 3 billion individual characteristics."

Another example of ID dishonesty. It is a flat-out lie for someone to suggest that "every" DNA is that size. Were that the case, they might have a point. But, startlingly, DNA comes in far *smaller* sizes than that. Generally speaking, the simpler the lifeform, the shorter the DNA chain.

[Bigh4u2]

"Generally speaking, the simpler the lifeform, the shorter the DNA chain."

So would an Amoeba have a very short chain?

Or maybe no chaing at all?

[Bigh4u2]

chaing = chain.

D'oh!

[flevit]

"characteristics" are not "caracters"

I will assume it was an honest mistake on your part.

[Junior]

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1. 2005-11-02 Darwin v God case nears its conclusion on creationism
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3. 2005-11-02 'Design' Vs. Darwin
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9. 2005-11-01 Contract dispute ignites Dover race
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11. 2005-10-31 Kansas Fight on Evolution Escalates (Teachers groups punish Kansas school)
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16. 2005-10-28 The Worst Jobs in Science No.3- Kansas Biology Teacher
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18. 2005-10-28 Buckingham seesaws on the stand [Dover trial 10/28/05]
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[ConservativeTeaDrinker]

Ken Ham ROCKS! lol. Do we trust CBS to cover anything? It's not like they'd give you full perspective. In the end, they'll just try to leave the audience (whoever that is) with the message that creationist are nut sos that are completely ignorant of discovered facts. Which they aren't, but who cares . . .

"Ham understands that Supreme Court decisions mandating separation between church and state mean his point of view cannot be taught in public schools." Of course he can; it's just extremely difficult to do so without being persecuted. It's not as if it's illegal. If parents or officials want that taught then it should be. Besides, I don't believe Mr. Ham said what they wrote.

I like (not) how the biologist in the second part of article replies to argument of bacteria being too complex to have evolved: " . . . we biologists know better than that . . ." No, the evolutionist biologists *think* they know better. There are highly qualified Creator/Intelligent design scientists around the world. That man's statement is truly insulting, as believe it was meant to be, as are just about every non-creationist scientist in this article. If I were to believe anything in this article, I'd say *all* evolutionist scientists are complete prats, yet I have common sense that says otherwise.

Thank you, closed minds of CBS.

[ConservativeTeaDrinker]

What? Are you trying to warn us? rofl.

[trisham]

But in this country, Darwin’s theory met resistance from the outset. Back in 1925, Tennessee high school science teacher John Scopes was put on trial, and banned from teaching evolution.

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Sounds so simple, doesn't it? And yet there is this:

"One of the enduring debates concerning the Scopes trial revolves around whether Scopes ever actually taught the subject of evolution. George Rappalyea posed the question, holding up a copy of George W. Hunter’s Civic Biology, at Robinson’s drugstore. “You have been teaching ‘em this book?” he asked. Scopes answered, “Yes,” then went on to explain that, while substituting for the regular biology teacher in April 1925, he had assigned his students Hunter’s chapter on evolution. Illness the next day, however, kept him home and, to his recollection, no class discussion of the evolution materials ever took place. Scopes, however, remembered teaching the topic in a general way earlier in the same month to his general science students."

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scopes/Sco_sco.htm

[Junior]

Warn you of what? The Archive is simply a non-partisan resource for the benefit of those who engage in ... discussions ... on these threads.

[orionblamblam]

> "characteristics" are not "caracters"
> I will assume it was an honest mistake on your part.

It was no mistake at all on my part. That was a quote from the article.

[orionblamblam]

> "Generally speaking, the simpler the lifeform, the shorter the DNA chain."

> So would an Amoeba have a very short chain?

Generally speaking, compared to a whale or a human... yes.

[flevit]

"charateristics" do not speak solely of length (DNA) the word he would have used to express that idea (that you accuse him of) would be "characters"

[orionblamblam]

Some information on DNA chain size:

http://dwb.unl.edu/Teacher/NSF/C08/C08Links/gregor.rutgers.edu/genetics/Week17/Lecture17-1.html

Note that *in* *general* simpler critters have smaller DNA... but some have wildly unneccesary DNA sizes. Onions, it seems, have three times as much genetic data as humans.

Once more, this is evidence for evolution. The bulk of that genetic information is useless (or, worse, dangerous via genetic diseases and cancers) junk left over, the sort of thing evolution would predict but the sort of thing a competant designer would not include.