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To: goldstategop

I'm sick of you running around FR acting like you know whats best for Colorado, when you don't know anything about the Centennial State. NOTHING! Stick to your own home state. California is so screwed up its pathetic. I voted for Referandum C (against Ref D) and while I wanted it limited to 2-3 years, the fact remains, Ref C will allow Colorado to rebuild is infrastructure --- roads, highways, bridges, schools, etc. etc. etc. TABOR is still the law in Colorado and there will be no tax increases. This is a one time deal. The people have spoken and the letter of the law was followed.


8 posted on 11/02/2005 7:34:40 AM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: Reagan Man

Reagan Man, I live in Denver and I have no clue how the politicians are going to use our money. How can you be so sure they're going to fix our infrastructure? Let me guess...just trust them. Passing Ref C just gave all these pork bellied politicians in CO a $3.2 billion check with money that was to be refunded to hard working taxpayers. You say there won't be any tax increses because C passed, but all C really does is create a back-door tax increase. You definitely don't do your screen name any justice by buying into that "its not a tax increase" garbage. The state owes me money, er owed me money, and now they just get to keep it to spend it on "infrastructure". You're being a bit naive to think that this is a one-time deal as well. Politicians will see this vote as an opportunity to bail themselves out of their reckless free-spending ways for generations to come, or at least until voters wake the hell up.


13 posted on 11/02/2005 8:08:17 AM PST by rhc2000
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To: Reagan Man; goldstategop
I'm sick of you running around FR acting like you know whats best for Colorado, when you don't know anything about the Centennial State. NOTHING! Stick to your own home state. California is so screwed up its pathetic.

Don't listen to him, gold. He's sick of everyone who doesn't think four-billion dollar tax increases for dems to spend are a great idea.

Colorado is likely on a long, downhill slide to Californianess and the gutting of Tabor has begun as part of that process.

I grew up in CO and lived in CA for about 20 years. During that 20 years, I watched CA's government go blue and the state change from a reasonably well governed place into a third-world clownocracy. So I moved home. Now I am watching CO take the same path. So please keep reminding us what it looks like at the other end of the slide.

During Bill Owens' tenure as governor, the R's have lost a US Senate Seat, both houses of the legislature, and Owens (in supporting C) has inflicted a probably fatal wound on our only viable candidate for governor (Bob Beaugrez). The supreme court here is hopeless and will not change for a long, long time.

Even worse, the campaign finance reform act three years ago here was an outrageous con on the voters--it basically allows unions and trial lawyers to raise and contribute unlimited funds while noone else can. As a result, our candidates for the legislature are being outspent 5:1 and 10:1 and losing. Now, with Ref C, the gutting of Tabor has begun.

What is left of Tabor and the hope of winning the governorship is the only thing standing betweeen us and the fast slippery-slope to the state CA is in. Once there, I think you can testify how difficult it is to get out of the cesspool.

Reagan Man cannot see that. Moderate R's tend to see the problem as building the next road and miss the big political picture. And there's validity to his viewpoint as long as sensible people control the political machinery. In Colorado, they emphatically do not. And by giving up the one issue that once united Republicans (lower taxes) and won elections, Owens has fractured the R coalition here and given away our credibility on our best, single winning issue for a generation.

18 posted on 11/02/2005 8:25:14 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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