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To: WildHorseCrash
Would it shock you to know he was writing in 1833, well before the passage of the 14th Amendment, and that his views are a minority view of what the law is???

Well Duh! The 14th amendment did not change the meaning of 1st amendment and did not institute a WALL of SEPARATION. Only liberals, communists, athiest monkey worshippers and other anti-conservative neo-nazi swine believe that FDR's socialist/communist packed court did not change the meaning of the law.

Jesus Christ belongs in the public schools.

23 posted on 11/02/2005 7:39:22 AM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
Jesus Christ belongs in the public schools.

But does he belong in a science class?

How about Buddha? Krishna? Mohammed?

If not them, why not them?

26 posted on 11/02/2005 7:48:14 AM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
It didn't change the meaning of the law, you half-wit, it changed the interpretation of the law. And the US held out to the world that it wasn't a Christian nation from the beginning.

The Constitution protects my kids from being brainwashed in public schools with your superstitious nonsense. And anyone who says that their theolgy should be promoted by the government is a domestic enemy and terrorist and should be fought, with arms if necessary, to prevent them from accomplishing that evil deed.

35 posted on 11/02/2005 8:08:45 AM PST by WildHorseCrash
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
The 14th amendment did not change the meaning of 1st amendment

The history of the 14th is that immediately after the civil war, some southern states were claiming that rights given in the Constitution did not apply in the states, specifically about blacks. That was a stupid argument, in as much as if those rights didn't apply in the states, then where would they have applied? In the Federal City and territories? Nevertheless the 14th was passed to tell those southern states that when the Constitution gave us a right, it meant it.

The problem is that the First, as you claim, was specifically directed at limiting what the Congress could do. As such, it can be construed not as granting rights (and thus covered under the 14th), but at limiting Congress. Indeed, several states that ratified the First had official religions up till around 1820, thus the wording "Congress shall make no law", because several states already had such laws and intended to keep them.

Perhaps the First should be amended to remove the "Congress shall make no law" clause. Certainly the presstitutes would like such a thing since the First also covers freedom of the press.

But your problem is if the First were interpreted as originally intended, there will be religion taught in schools. And certainly every parent with a student will insist that their religion be taught with the same validity as Christianity. The Muslims in particular, since their demographics are growing, will demand such a thing. I'm sure the Indians in Northern Arizona will insist on teaching their religious stories as hard fact too.

I can think of nothing more damaging to the faith of young people than teaching several diametrically opposed faiths as fact, side by side. I rejected my Christian faith in large part because I realized that there were many different human faiths, and that none of them had any more reason to claim validity than any other.

Perhaps now is a good time for a Coyoteman creation myth.

Be careful of what you wish for. You may get it.

59 posted on 11/02/2005 8:48:17 AM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1

"Xenu belongs in the public schools." placemark


99 posted on 11/02/2005 9:59:30 AM PST by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1

Jesus Christ may or may not belong in public schools.

However, that which is not empirical science does not belong in a class on empirical science.


134 posted on 11/02/2005 12:13:56 PM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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