After-Action Report: Doug from Upland confronts Susan Estrich LIVE in Claremont, CA

DFU | 11/01/2005 | self

[Seaside]

She's the Queen of Denial...



Maybe then you should call her "Susan Ostrich"

[apackof2]

DFU, way to go!

[KPfromDerryNH]

Esrich's answer on Medved was really dumb. It wasn't an answer but Estrich wanted it to be funny so people would laugh and then the subject would be over. It's the kind of answer that someone who thought rape was solely about sex would give. What Clinton said was evasive and would worry me if I were an officer investigating the claim. It scares me and shames my gender, that she, Harvard's first tenured female law professor is such a bumbling hack.
Basically, it shows Estrich doesn't care.

[Bullish]

I happen to live in Claremont. I'm sorry I missed this.

I hereby nominate Doug for Anti-Clinton Freeper of the year!

[Tymesup]

I always believed Juanita. And deep inside the black heart of Estrich, she also knows it's true.

Here's a link to Al Gore taking 4 minutes to convince all that Bill Clinton did it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/832344/posts

[WorkingClassFilth]

Broaddrick ping.

[Dustbunny]

Not only is she a homely Demorat, I can't stand the sound of her voice.

[lentulusgracchus]

Excellent review, except that you reviewed Hillary instead of reviewing the book!

The thought of Beastie in the White House as the chief executive of the United States gives me the willies. So to speak.

Estrich's basic pitch is so obvious and so vile -- "Just think of it, a woman in the White House! Then everything will be better!" Yeah, well, Lucretia Borgia was a woman, too. And if you put this woman in the White House, you'll get a Communist president and Goat-Boy back in the White House for eight more years!

[longfellow]

Was the papers from the Ford building ever made public? The ones that made congressmen change their mind.

[gaijin]

THANK YOU DOUG! I remember you from way back.

Excellent question.

[eleni121]

Doug is a Freeper hero.

[ALOHA RONNIE]

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HILLARY in a -NY- Cap =

DUKAKIS in an -ARMY- Tank


....still..!!!

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[California Patriot]

Nice going, Doug. We need to GET AT these people.

[Mia T]

No. the Ford Bldg evidence has never been released.

Let us not forget that people--namely, those congressmen--actually saw the evidence. Will the threat of a clinton sequel cause those congressmen to reveal what they know? Or will the clinton Filegate trump card kick in?

[longfellow]

Can we get those congressmen to talk off the record? Maybe Doug can interview them for a Freeper article.

[Mia T]

Great idea.

What do you think, doug? Let's work on the congressmen. One of them is no longer available, btw.

 

Former Florida Rep. Tillie Fowler dies

By Mark H. Rodeffer

Former Rep. Tillie Fowler (R-Fla.) died yesterday following a brain hemorrhage two days earlier.

Fowler, who focused on defense issues in Congress, was chairwoman of the Defense Policy Board Advisory Committee, which counsels Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. She was also a lobbyist with Holland & Knight.

House Republican Conference Chairwoman Deborah Pryce (R-Ohio) said, "I will never forget Tillie's comforting presence and personal support of me at the time of my daughter's death. She was a rare find &emdash; an example to all members of Congress in her bipartisanship and to women everywhere in her ability to attain the highest levels of power while always putting family first."

Fowler was elected to the House from her Jacksonville district in 1992. She declined to seek reelection 2000, citing her pledge eight years earlier to serve only four terms.

Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.) said, "Tilley was like a big sister to me when I first came to Congress. She quickly became a close, personal friend and adviser &emdash; and for that I will always be deeply, deeply grateful."

House Armed Services Committee Chairman Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.) called Fowler "a great public servant, a strong advocate for the military and a dear friend."

Congresswoman: Rape Allegation to Surface at Clinton Senate Trial

 

Carl Limbacher
NewsMax.com
December 22, 1998

Documentation Said to Sway Several Republicans to Impeach

Florida Rep. Tillie Fowler has seen top secret documents describing an alleged rape by Bill Clinton and says the accusation could play a role in the upcoming Senate trial of the impeached President. The material was made available to all members of the House and was said to be conclusive enough to persuade several wavering Republicans to vote for impeachment last Saturday.

In an impeachment eve appearance on CNBC, Fowler was asked about the documents, now sequestered in D.C's Gerald Ford Building, by Hardball host Chris Matthews:

MATTHEWS: You know the secrets in the Ford building, don't you?

FOWLER: I certainly do.

MATTHEWS: And can you give us any definition as to what additional information involving Jane Doe # 5 and other material like this that is leading people in your caucus to vote for impeachment in addition to the publicized material?

FOWLER: Well, to me what we already know is sufficient to move forward with impeachment and that is what I base my decision on. There is information there that I think goes more to the character of this man and to what he will do that has been deemed too salacious to release.

MATTHEWS: You mean the rape accusation.

FOWLER: Those and others...

MATTHEWS: Rape, that's what we're talking about, isn't it?

FOWLER: I won't speak to that. But there are things in there that are not good. I have made my decision, as I think most of us have, on the evidence as to whether it goes to perjury...

MATTHEWS: Help me out here. Why are members of the Republican caucus willing to read material that accuses the President of things like rape and make decisions based on that information but are not willing to disclose it after they learned it?

FOWLER: Well, I think there are some rules right now about that. It's not supposed to be disclosed because this is part of what's going to be used, I believe, in the trial.

U.S. News & World Report's Major Garrett, another Hardball guest, reported that 15 to 20 House Republicans accessed documentation on the rape allegation. After Fowler's bombshell revelation, Garrett confirmed that the material, "can be grist for the Senate trial and may in fact be grist for the Senate trial."

On March 28, ABC and NBC News reported that material released by Paula Jones attorneys included accounts from four witnesses who said that Juanita Broaddrick, of Van Buren, Ark., had told them that then-Arkansas Attorney General Bill Clinton had brutally raped her in 1978. One witness, a nurse identified as Norma Rogers, told NBC's Lisa Myers that she had treated Broaddrick after the assault, applying ice to Broaddrick's lips which were swollen to twice their normal size. According to Rogers, Broaddrick said that Clinton had sex with her "against her will."

In August, the New York Post identified Jane Doe # 5 as Juanita Broaddrick.

The appendix of Ken Starr's impeachment report to Congress reveals that on Jan. 2, 1998, Jane Doe # 5 filed an affidavit with lawyers for Paula Jones denying that Bill Clinton had made unwanted sexual advances towards her in the late 1970's. But, according to Starr's investigators, Jane Doe # 5 later testified that her sworn denial had been false.

Reportedly, Starr's FBI interviewers had found Jane Doe's latest account "inconclusive" and Starr decided to omit it from his final report to Congress.

But apparently the information, once shared with wavering Republicans, did have an impact as they considered their impeachment votes.

Saturday's New York Times reported that Republican moderate Mark Souder, who had planned to vote against impeachment, was "bothered" by the new information, worrying that "it might be true." Souder ended up voting for Impeachment Article 3, which charged Clinton with obstruction of justice. Asked whether the secret reports had changed his mind, Souder said, "They were part of it, but it was not the fundamental thing....It was based on looking at everything in totality, not at any particular bit of information," Newsday reported on Sunday.

CNBC's Matthews suggested that the secret information had moved more than a few wavering Republicans to vote for impeachment:

"I'm told today that one of the reasons Republicans are voting for impeachment is that they know more than we know. There's more in this report that's over at the Ford Building on Capitol Hill that contains dirty stuff about this President, that for whatever reason wasn't formally released, but is apparently infecting the thinking of a lot of Republicans. A lot of the borderline guys are going to vote for impeachment tomorrow because of what they've read."

The material on explosive allegations by Broaddrick and other women is believed to be comprehensive, with several House Republicans taking up to four hours to review it, according to Saturday's Washington Post. On Friday, Rep. Ann Northrup described the secret information as "specific and graphic."

For more NewsMax.com exclusives on "Jane Doe #5" read: The Clinton Rape-Charge Cover-Up October 2, 1998.

Clinton and Women: Up to Seven May Have Been Assaulted October 26, 1998.

December 22, 1998

EPILOGUE: (ADDITIONAL AUDIO)
Hear Christopher Shays:
"The bottom line: HE DID RAPE BROADDRICK."

thanx to Wolverine for the audio

[longfellow]

MATTHEWS: You mean the rape accusation.

FOWLER: Those and others...

MATTHEWS: Rape, that's what we're talking about, isn't it?

FOWLER: I won't speak to that. But there are things in there that are not good.

Well I can't think of anything worse just short of a scott peterson. I am just so glad that klinton's life is going so well and I am about to lose my house for the 2nd time in my life. Get me this congressmans name and address and I will go after them.

[Mia T]

Unfortunately, Rep. Tillie Fowler (R-Fla.) passed away (see above article from The Hill.)

But there were plenty of R congressmen who saw the evidence. At least one of them (a male from Delaware, as I recall) cried.

(OTOH, all the D congressmen, and every single one of the senators, preemptively cured any cognitive dissonance that might result from leaving a pair of rapists in the Oval Office, by not visiting the Ford Building evidence room in the first place.)

[Mia T]

I'm sure we can come up with a list of the congressmen who saw the evidence of the clintons' history of rape and predation.

[longfellow]

What about filing for "freedom of info act"?