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"Intelligent Design": Stealth War on Science
Revolutionary Worker ^ | November 6, 2005

Posted on 11/01/2005 6:27:26 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

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To: VadeRetro

Maybe it would be a good idea for the warring parties to cool the rhetoric a bit. This issue does not portend the end of Western civilization as we know it. Frankly, with these naughty young minds cruising the internet, it is quite easy to be exposed to just about everything, and every point of view. Oh the horror.


41 posted on 11/01/2005 7:14:03 PM PST by Torie
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To: jec1ny

Hey maybe turning public schools into Madrasses, will turn the secularists, and the secularist left in particular, into favoring school vouchers. Think about it.


42 posted on 11/01/2005 7:16:09 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
Frankly, with these naughty young minds cruising the internet, it is quite easy to be exposed to just about everything, and every point of view.

It does not, however, follow that every point of view is equally valid merely by virtue of the fact that it exists. Nor does it follow that every point of view must necessarily be given the stamp of approval civilized society provides to those ideas thought worthy of curricular inclusion.

43 posted on 11/01/2005 7:19:37 PM PST by Senator Bedfellow (g_r)
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To: Torie
I am all for private religious schools. I would never allow my kids to go to a public school if there was any kind of alternative. But thats not the same thing as teaching that science is wrong. Evolution is no more theoretical than the Earth being spherical.
44 posted on 11/01/2005 7:20:12 PM PST by jec1ny (Adjutorium nostrum in nomine Domine Qui fecit caelum et terram.)
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To: Senator Bedfellow

My subtle little point is that folks are getting their panties in a wad over a trivial issue. Is this issue the primary threat to the quality of public education, or the proper training of young minds? I think not. In fact, if young minds were properly trained, they would be well able to parse the merits of this tiresome and empty controversy, which is as much about a war over capturing semantical terms, as anything else.


45 posted on 11/01/2005 7:22:26 PM PST by Torie
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To: Tailgunner Joe
ROFL!

I just visited the link. Who's the frikin commie?

Worst kept secret of the 20th century is that communism don't work.

Didn't he get the memo???

Sheesh. Some people never learn.

"Bourgeois Politics, Law"

"Crimes of Imperialism
CIA-Cocaine, Internet... "

Setting the Record Straight
Communist Rev

"Maoist Rev in China "

Why in the world would you post this trash here and why should anybody take ANYTHING this moonbat says, seriously?

46 posted on 11/01/2005 7:25:17 PM PST by America's Resolve (I've become a 'single issue voter' for 06 and 08. My issue is illegal immigration!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

From what I gather in this article, if any issue is supported by evil, right-wing zealot, Bible-thumping, Christians, it MUST BE STOPPED. If it is not stopped then the entire republic is in grave danger and our 230 year history as a nation will come to an end.
I'm saddened that if one is a Christian then there is no place for you or your views in the public square.


47 posted on 11/01/2005 7:25:46 PM PST by DustyWestTexas
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To: jec1ny
The empirical force of theories is on a sliding scale, and aspects within the theory have their own sliding scale. I would suggest and assert that emphasing what is unknown is equally as important as what is known. A belief in certainly where none exists can lead to hubris.

Do I believe in intelligent design? No. I am a near atheist. Do I believe there is any empirical evidence for it that is testable by the scientific method? No. Are there some elements of the evolutionary theory that will be so testable in my lifetime? No. Will we discover the origin of life in my lifetime, as it were, via the scientific method? No. So what?

48 posted on 11/01/2005 7:27:51 PM PST by Torie
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To: VadeRetro; All
Don't tell anybody, but FSM is a joke. However, being suggestible, I do eat more pasta since all this started.

No more a joke than ID is... btw, the day ID is integrated into schools is the day I sue the schools for discriminating against my belief in Flying Spaghetti Monster. I'm dead serious, ha ha, what a circus ID creates!

BTW, I don't care if professors and teachers place emphasis on the "theory" of evolution, but consider this: if your kids are that incompetent to need an explanation of what the difference between hypothesis, theory, and fact is; or they're too naive to question everything presented to them by these liberal professors, then they probably aren't going any further in the realm of critical thinking and analysis anyway... they'll end up believing the age old credos and religions you present them as parents so don't worry about somebody else "counter-brainwashing" the "brainwashing" that's already occurred.

ID is retarded, it's unfalsifiable just as creationism is unfalsifiable. IDs only point to be heard is that it may explain the unexplainable... nevermind allowing science to eventually explain it. If you so desperately want to teach it in schools, then lobby for an all-mandatory "myths and mythology 101" course.
49 posted on 11/01/2005 7:28:24 PM PST by Roots (www.GOPatUCR.com - College Republicans at the University of California, Riverside)
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To: truth_seeker

A careful inspection of how our bodies and brains are constructed leads to a suspicion that we were designed by a committee.


50 posted on 11/01/2005 7:29:45 PM PST by dr huer
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To: Borges; Tailgunner Joe

For real? Maybe I will read this afterall. What strange bed-fellows Evolution has had coming to its support: Communists, the ACLU, the DU, the MSM, PFAW, Wiccans, Ted Kennedy ... the list goes on and on.


51 posted on 11/01/2005 7:30:28 PM PST by so_real ("The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Torie

We seem to have a good deal of trouble properly teaching them to read, nevermind how to think in a properly critical manner. I understand your point, but as a practical matter, we can at least, for the time being, insure that the factual matter provided to them is as correct as we currently know it to be. Deferring resolution until the day they all have properly trained minds seems to me to be the sort of thing Voltaire was referring to when he noted that "le mieux est l'ennemi du bien".


52 posted on 11/01/2005 7:30:29 PM PST by Senator Bedfellow (g_r)
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To: Senator Bedfellow

The beauty of it all, is that you are exposed to the competing arguments, and if well educated, one can then make a reasoned judgment. I do that all the time about things I don't know about, or think I know about. What some hack teacher in high school said, or what some sticker on a text book said, is just a point of departure into inquiry.


53 posted on 11/01/2005 7:31:36 PM PST by Torie
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To: so_real

And a rather large contingent here including myself to some degree. You don't have to be a Creationist to be a conservative. You don't have to be religious at all really.


54 posted on 11/01/2005 7:33:04 PM PST by Borges
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To: Senator Bedfellow

My French is rusty, but I am sure the comment was elegant and devastating to whatever point I am trying to make, however ineptly. :)


55 posted on 11/01/2005 7:33:15 PM PST by Torie
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To: metmom

Since fascism was an anti-Christian movement, a Christian fascist is as much an oxymoron as a Christian Muslim. I'll be interested to see if this usage migrates from the Stalinist Left to the MoveOn.org/Howard Dean Left, or whether the part of the Left that wants to win elections realizes that this kind of language will turn people off.


56 posted on 11/01/2005 7:33:37 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Torie
Do I believe there is any empirical evidence for it that is testable by the scientific method? No.

Charles Darwin disagreed. He said, "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."

Intelligent Design Theory can be tested by demonstrating that irreducible complexity exists in nature.

57 posted on 11/01/2005 7:34:19 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Torie

"The perfect is the enemy of the good." - Voltaire ;)


58 posted on 11/01/2005 7:34:57 PM PST by Senator Bedfellow (g_r)
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To: Torie
"Le mieux est l'ennemi du bien"

Something about cats not liking beans, I think.

59 posted on 11/01/2005 7:36:28 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Intelligent Design Theory can be tested by demonstrating that irreducible complexity exists in nature.

If you can do that, you get the Nobel prize, and will be deemed the second coming of Sir Isaac Newton.

60 posted on 11/01/2005 7:36:35 PM PST by Torie
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