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I'm new here and I'm trying to get up to speed on this topic. I found this link and this quote attributed to Wilson.
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/politicalcommentary/a/plame_timeline.htm
"Though I did not file a written report, there should be at least four documents in United States government archives confirming my mission. The documents should include the ambassador's report of my debriefing in Niamey, a separate report written by the embassy staff, a C.I.A. report summing up my trip, and a specific answer from the agency to the office of the vice president (this may have been delivered orally). While I have not seen any of these reports, I have spent enough time in government to know that this is standard operating procedure."
Is anyone aware of any of these reports being made public?
Paraphrased: 'The media didn't pick up on this?'
I'm sure they did, but it doesn't fit into their agenda of selling fear to keep the viewer glued to the TV.
Recall the so called "scandal" of Bush leaving the military before his end of active service? It's because he accrued leave days and didn't take vacation until the end of his commitment. The military calls it "terminal leave". Just about every serviceman leaving the military knows about it. Why didn't the public have this SCREAMING IN THEIR FACES from the media from the beginning?
There was nothing to educate the rest of the public with what almost every former military man and woman knows. If any of the media ENTERTAINERS had told the public from the beginning, then the entire story would have deflated and disappeared. Instead the freakin' dog and pony show dragged on and on.
Not even conservative media or blogs punctuated this simple fact. I even informed FOX news about terminal leave...no response. Here's an idea for improving the most watched news network: stick to headline news and then give regular "media watch" explanations. For example: first 15 minutes of the top of the hour and half hour is breaking and top news stories; next 10 minutes explain why CNN, MSNBC, CSB, and other leftist channels and liberal rags have are all wrong about communist socialism, homosexuality, abortion, etc.; last 5 minutes show how the local fireman saves a cat out of a tree. Most of the FOX studs and studettes already do this, but why is it taking so long for them to unravel the bull?
It's a big chain and attention starved studios are pulling as hard as they can to keep us enslaved to their shrilled voices of fear, anxiety, urgency, sense of doom and gloom...GLOOM AND DOOM!
So, yeah, Joe Wilson...a nobody of an intelligence asset goes all the way over to Africa to play an American double "o" agent...and the media doesn't pick up on it? The lack of professionalism and ZERO protocol of his reporting? But if they did that from the beginning, there would have never been a story from the start! How does the public think these guys stay in business?
THEY'RE ONLY REPORTING EACH OTHER'S GOSSIP!
And another thing...the Cold War has long since been over. Those politicized CIA agents trying to effect an election must have gotten rusty, or they were newbies with no real heavy hitting challenges. But hey, it was the 90s! The president hits the bong and it's cool to be a slob. Seems like they played a covert smear campaign that rates only a 3rd world level of quality. Maybe that sort of effort would have worked against a nation on a different continent, but I doubt it would even have worked in this Hemisphere. People are much more sophisticated and can easily see through such a blithering barrage of bull squat. Still, even a child can sense danger, and these leftists clowns come straight out of a Steven King novel.
As far removed from the rest of the industrialized world they were, the Russians knew that the ruling Soviets were mere intellectually lazy thugs. The unfortunate situation for Russians is that the Soviets were horrendously well armed thugs with a network of terror and an evil will to enforce their culture of death. We've got similarly poisoned intellectual enemies on our own soil. Their oppression ended when Clinton left office. The culture of death should never be given power again.
So now "Scooter" is facing an indictment because of an interview he screwed up? What is this? Did he forget to say "excuse me" after he burped or something? Whatever crap is thrown at Libby will be catapulted right back into the liberal leftists' faces. Not even a decade ago we had an admitted pot smoking president who perjured himself in front of Congress and lived up to his Billy "BJ" initials with his wife in shouting distance. Where do Democrats and the media think this "scandal" is going to go?
Here is my question:
Is it standard practice for the CIA to accept without question a wife's nomination of her husband to investigate national security claims?
What were Joe's special qualifications? Did anyone look for a better qualified alternative? If a CIA employee recommends his wife be hired for CIA work, doesn't anyone worry about the husband's bias?
I know if I recommended my wife for a job, folks would scutinize her qualifications pretty carefully.
My theory (#42)is that this was a collaborative effort by the French and CIA coordinated by Wilson and his second wife, the French "Diplomat". Wilson did not lie when he said he saw the documents.
Also, Rocco Martino only "procured" the documents, he did not forge them. Fitzgerald went to Italy to investigate the Niger Embassy (in Rome) burglary...where the letterhead and seals for the forgeries were stolen. Ex-CIA agent (and coincidentally, an advisor to the Vatican in Rome),Vincent Cannistraro has stated that Alan Wolf and Duane Clarridge were the actual forgers, but his account is the only one available that I can find on the subject. He has also pointed the finger at Michael Ledeen, but Ledeen has publicly made a statement that he had nothing to do with it and demanded an apology from Cannistraro.
In addition, despite what the MSM is reporting, the Italians released a press report yesterday saying they had nothing to do with the forgeries:
Italy denies role in fake documents on Iraq
This was also backed up by Rocco here
Cannistraro's "theory" falls apart when you consider that he:
1) blamed SISME (the Italians), which has proven to be wrong
2) bases his assumptions on a Dec 2001 Ledeen meeting, when Cannistraro himself was in Rome in Nov 2001, which would make him just as suspect.
I also discovered that Cannistraro worked directly with Clarridge during Iran Contra, so he has alot of nerve bringing that up in connection to Ledeen. Another interesting tidbit (#47) that I discovered is that Wolf and Clarridge worked with Aldrich Ames, who outed Plame to the Russians in the 90's. Coincidence? I think not. Cannistraro trying to kill two birds with one stone to cover his own carcass seems to be the more likely answer. Equally suspicious is the Hersch article, where Cannistraro and another unnamed agent state the exact route the documents took and Cannistraro actually admits that he called the CIA about the documents before they were proven to be false. This begs the question...just how did Cannistraro know about the documents before they were vetted? Sounds a whole lot like Wilson's slip-up about seeing the documents.
Two other names just crept into this...Niger Ambassador Adamou Chekou, who was in charge at the Embassy when the break-in and forgeries occurred and Wissam al-Zahawiah, Iraqi Ambassador to the Holy See. Seems Italian Intelligence was eavesdropping on these two and discovered their "hotline".
Did you read that carefully. Holy See? As in Vatican? Where Vincent Cannistraro is the security advisor?
Also take into consideration:
Wilson (as Ambassador to Gabon) had/has connections to the Gabon Chief of State, Omar Bongo, who was the chief African ally of the French oil company TotalFinaElf, a major beneficiary of the Oil-for-Food bribes. Prior to the Iraq War, they had a contract with Saddam's regime worth an estimated 12.5 to 27.0 billion barrels of oil reserves. Also he had connections via the Middle East Institute and Rock Creek, both of which are Saudi controlled.
Wilson's wife Jacqueline was also apparently a lobbyist for Bongo and it seems Wilson was pretty chummy with Saddam's weapons buyer, having dinner with him on the eve that Kuwait was invaded in 1990. That makes it very clear that there are connections to oil-for-food. No wonder Wilson can afford his lifestyle.
Jacqueline, (Joe's his second wife), was a French diplomat and may have provided the connections for Wilson to see the forged documents that were supplied by the French through the Italians. In other words it is possible that Wilson knew that the docs were forged because he was privy to the information that French wanted to discredit the British info on Saddam shopping for yellowcake and that Wilson's objective was the same. The French just happen to manage the yellowcake production in Niger.
Therefore, Wilson did not lie when he said he saw the documents.
Per a thread by Fedora:
French intelligence soon began a campaign to discredit the US case for war against Iraq. In 1999, French intelligence had begun investigating the security of uranium supplies in Niger, where uranium production was controlled by a consortium led by the French mining company COGEMA, a division of the French state-owned nuclear energy firm AREVA. At that time, Italian businessman Rocco Martino provided French intelligence with genuine documents revealing that Iraq was planning to expand trade with Niger. French intelligence took an interest in the documents and asked Martino to provide more information. In 2000 he used a contact in the Niger embassy in Rome to provide French intelligence with documents purporting that Iraq had purchased uranium from Niger. These documents were later exposed as forgeries;
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Since it is now also known that French intelligence was trying to push Martino’s forgeries on US and British intelligence, as simultaneously the Democratic National Committee was planning to discredit President Bush’s Iraq policy by accusing his administration of manufacturing evidence against Hussein’s regime, heightened suspicion is cast on Wilson’s use of the Niger investigation to discredit the Bush administration’s case for war.
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| Posted by Jim Robinson On News/Activism ^ 11/03/2005 1:51:17 AM EST · 74 replies · 1,525+ views Wall Street Journal ^ | November 3, 2005 | By VICTORIA TOENSING <p>In a surprise, closed-door debate, Senate Democrats demanded an investigation of pre-Iraq War intelligence. Here's an issue for them: Assess the validity of the claim that Valerie Plame's status was "covert," or even properly classified, given the wretched tradecraft by the Central Intelligence Agency throughout the entire episode. It was, after all, the CIA that requested the "leak" investigation, alleging that one of its agents had been outed in Bob Novak's July 14, 2003, column. Yet it was the CIA's bizarre conduct that led inexorably to Ms. Plame's unveiling.</p> |
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