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This sounds like a Dr. Laura moment.
1 posted on 11/01/2005 7:54:16 AM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

define social development.


2 posted on 11/01/2005 7:57:10 AM PST by x5452
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To: SmithL

Blanket universal pre-school isn't the answer. There are other variables - the child, the teacher, the particular pre-school, the parents, the family, hours per week, etc.


3 posted on 11/01/2005 7:58:30 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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"Absent any information about what kind of quality the kids in this study were getting, the findings are meaningless," said Susanna Cooper, director of communications for Preschool California.....Maybe these kids were in mediocre low-quality childcare situations. Were they overcrowded? What was the ratio of kids to adults? What was the training of the adults they were with?"

The point is they weren't home with their families.

4 posted on 11/01/2005 7:59:10 AM PST by fml
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To: SmithL

That seems counter-intuitive; how can earlier social mixing hurt social development?


5 posted on 11/01/2005 7:59:43 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("To the terrorists, the media is a vital force multiplier" Brig. Gen. Donald Alston (USAF) 10/31/05)
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To: SmithL

Pre-school is more about government-funded childcare, and easing the consciences of working mothers, than it is about child development.


6 posted on 11/01/2005 8:01:00 AM PST by Redbob
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It's not clear why children from higher-income families exhibit more negative behaviors than their stay-at-home peers.

This is a DUH moment for the Berkeley crowd.

Maybe the stay-at-home kids have rules, boundaries, and limitations, and parents who give them more than 15 minutes per day? Maybe they don't get hauled around like sacks of potatoes and dumped at the most convenient place?

8 posted on 11/01/2005 8:01:33 AM PST by WarEagle (This is obviously Karl Rove's fault...)
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To: SmithL

In other news, ice salesmen unamimously say that cold is good for you.


9 posted on 11/01/2005 8:01:41 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: SmithL
universal preschool

Maybe it's just me, but that sounds sinister as hell.

10 posted on 11/01/2005 8:02:43 AM PST by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("(I've had) too many wives and taken too many drugs." -Ambassador Joe Wilson)
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To: SmithL

Basically, all of these things have little to do with the ultimate educational and career acheivement of kids. In Finland, which is thought to have one of the best educational systems in the world, most kids don't even start school until they are 7.

The real issue here is parents wanting free day care.


11 posted on 11/01/2005 8:06:42 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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I wonder how much of the social problems are due to the touchy-feely non-disciplined ways that some preschools and daycare centers are run, too.
14 posted on 11/01/2005 8:17:37 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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"Cognitive benefits are great, but we have to pay heed to what's going on with kids emotionally and socially."

Gee, just maybe early years spent at home with Mom, and Dad after work, are best after all? I'm sure the feminazis are busily stirring the pot scrambling to find or create new studies to support their agendas...

15 posted on 11/01/2005 8:18:20 AM PST by fortunecookie
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"...Hollywood movie director Rob Reiner leads a group of universal preschool advocates pushing for a June 2006 ballot measure ..."

Reiner wants a state run indocterination program with values teaching vetted by the Hollywood left.

PUKE!

dung.


16 posted on 11/01/2005 8:22:02 AM PST by Moose Dung (Soiling the Shoes of the Lunatic Left)
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To: SmithL

We have little kids, and associate with a number of people with little kids, and they all want universal pre-school. Why? To a person, it's because they want the free day care so momma can work and they can have enough money for all their toys.

My four-year-old son is already reading simple books and is learning basic mathematics without the benefit of certified teachers. We are home schooling our children. Mom stays home with the kids and we struggle financially (especially these past few months!) but we feel our children are more important to us than many material things we're lacking that the neighbors have.

Whenever children get together in large groups with minimal or nonjudgmental supervision, they sink to the lowest common denominator ("Lord of the Flies" effect). That's why behavioral problems increase. The cognitive skills increase is because you're comparing the kids in preschool to random samples of non-preschooled kids. Filter out the bad or indifferent parents of non-preschooled kids and I'd bet you'd see no difference (in other words, and home school studies have borne this out, parents can teach kids these cognitive skills as well as, or better than, certified public-school teachers).

My son's cousin went to an all-day preschool and now attends kindergarten in a public school (the same one my son would attend next year if we were to send him) and is now (2 months into the school year) coming home and making rap music sounds and coming out with gang-banger slang expressions. Too bad my son's missing out on all that "socialization" isn't it? He plays with other home-schooled kids who are also aren't exposed to cultural trash.


19 posted on 11/01/2005 8:30:15 AM PST by rockprof
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Preschool study finds bright side, dark side

Jedi preschool?

25 posted on 11/01/2005 8:56:15 AM PST by 4mycountry (Now that's just freaking freaky.)
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To: SmithL

later read...


27 posted on 11/01/2005 9:07:36 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: SmithL

Universal preschool

They are trying to indoctrinate our children at a younger age. The appeal for working parents is "free childcare". I hope to God this doesn't pass.


31 posted on 11/01/2005 9:23:32 AM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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"Middle-class families are benefiting, but if we move toward universal preschool, it's not clear that universal preschool would close gaps in early learning because the gain experienced by low-income kids may not ever be enough to catch up with the gain by middle-class kids," Fuller said.

This is an amazing statement, for one brief moment, a leftist pulls off the mask and admits they are willing to hurt middle class kids so that they will be more equal in result to poor kids.

32 posted on 11/01/2005 9:23:51 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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I was lucky enough that we could keep our kids at home until Kindergarten. We did go over the basics with them but my children did take the first half of the school year to catch up with the rest of the children. I think it frustrated the teacher more then it did us. However they never ever had complaints about behavioral problems.


33 posted on 11/01/2005 9:26:23 AM PST by linn37 (Have you hugged your Phlebotomist today?)
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To: SmithL

Daughter has been home with my wife since the day she was born (she's 5 now). No social problems whatsoever - she also reads at a 2nd grade level and does 1st grade math.

Day care, ezpecially government-funded daycare, is a detriment to children, I don't care what any study says. Parents are to raise their children, not $8 an hour babysitters.

My advice to parents with kids in daycare is to cut whatever isn't vital out of your budget, and have one of you stay home with the young-un. Everyone will be better off for it in both the short and long term. Sacrifice the 2nd car, the vacations, even the morning coffee - your kids' safety and well-being are more than worth it.


39 posted on 11/01/2005 11:00:48 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow (Freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.)
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http://www-gse.berkeley.edu/program/CD/Faculty/Starkey.html

Any funds here?


41 posted on 11/12/2005 11:35:02 PM PST by Lumper20
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