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Is SCOTUS nominee Samuel Alito Pro Abortion?
Find Law ^ | 10.31.05

Posted on 10/31/2005 7:58:05 PM PST by Coleus

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To: Coleus

The Health of the Mother crap is used frequently by the pro-abortion feminists who claim a mother can die the day before she is supposed to give birth and that it's necessary to have the "health" exclusion. Women, if they do die, mostly die during childbirth. In this day of age of modern medicine and sonograms, most women who have any problems usually undergo a planned Caesarian Section or abort in the first or second trimester. This health of the mother clause is just an "open door" to continue to allow the Partial Birth Abortion procedure to be carried out in abortion mills since the butchers can use a mental health reason (let's say mild depression) in order to justify the baby killing.

Health of the mother is interpreted very broadly -- economic health, included.

If the health of the mother must be immediately attended to, there is the immediate option of Cesaerean section.

Partial birth abortion is at least a two day affair for the woman as her cervix has to be artificially and unnaturally opened before she goes into labor.


21 posted on 10/31/2005 8:12:48 PM PST by victim soul
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To: Coleus

if he had, it would have been tossed by the SCOTUS anyway.


22 posted on 10/31/2005 8:13:09 PM PST by oceanview
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To: flashbunny
Do you even have a clue?

I am upset that Alito hasn't bombed any abortion clinics.

23 posted on 10/31/2005 8:13:20 PM PST by Always Right
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To: Coleus

"And the 10th amendment and the legislature and the people of NJ mean nothing?"

Not when there is standing precedent in the case that says otherwise.

You overturn roe and the associateed laws, and then he would have had the power to rule otherwise. But since it was still in effect, he had no choice but to rule that way - unless he was being an 'activist'.

Circuit judges must abide by precedent set by the supreme court and other courts in the circuit.


24 posted on 10/31/2005 8:13:40 PM PST by flashbunny (Anybody want to trade Alito back in for Miers?)
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To: Coleus

I don't agree with everything my boss does, but I must abide by it.

As I slowly become the big-shot, then I get to make big decisions.

And so it was with Judge Alito.


25 posted on 10/31/2005 8:13:57 PM PST by SteveMcKing ("I was born a Democrat. I expect I'll be a Democrat the day I leave this earth." -Zell Miller '04)
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To: Coleus

Alito's record - what I have seen of it, anyway - shows that he sticks scrupulously to the letter and the spirit of the law, rather than interpreting the law in light of his own desires. There is good reason to be confident that someone with that outlook, when given the authority and opportunity to rule on the Supreme Court, will say the basis for Roe and other decisions that usurp legislative power cannot be found in the law, and thus overturn them.


26 posted on 10/31/2005 8:14:31 PM PST by thoughtomator (Alito Akbar)
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To: Always Right
I am upset that Alito hasn't bombed any abortion clinics.

LOL. It seems these are the lengths it will take to please some.

27 posted on 10/31/2005 8:14:34 PM PST by riri
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To: Coleus

But what about the Casey v. Planned Parenthood case? The abortionists have lined up against him for that one, where he was on our side. Which is where I think he will end up.


28 posted on 10/31/2005 8:15:41 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN - 3rd Bn. Fifth Marines RVN 1969)
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To: victim soul

Partial birth abortion is at least a two day affair for the woman as her cervix has to be artificially and unnaturally opened before she goes into labor. >>

thanks, that's right, I forgot about that it is a 2-3 day procedure.


29 posted on 10/31/2005 8:16:25 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: flashbunny

I'm looking at the FR poll and Alito is in the 90% range, doing better so far than even Roberts.

This poster may want an activist Judge, but the vast majority do not. You summed up the opinion well, this opinion was known in an advance and stripped apart and found in keeping with what we expect from someone in that position. That doesn't seem to have affected the support of any of the pro-life groups, that are universal in their endorsements as well.


30 posted on 10/31/2005 8:17:19 PM PST by Soul Seeker
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To: flashbunny; Coleus

"Sigh.

Do you even have a clue?"
Who the hell are you .


31 posted on 10/31/2005 8:18:01 PM PST by fatima (I stole MS.BEHAVIN tagline and I am happy:))
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To: Coleus
And the 10th amendment and the legislature and the people of NJ mean nothing?

They do, but since Alito followed the law as determined by the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court is the only court that can overturn itself. If the Supreme Court says 2 + 2 = 5, the circuit courts have no choice by to say 2 + 2 = 5 if that question comes before the court. It is the correct ruling eventhough they know it is wrong.

32 posted on 10/31/2005 8:19:12 PM PST by Always Right
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Not when there is standing precedent in the case that says otherwise.

You overturn roe and the associateed laws, and then he would have had the power to rule otherwise. But since it was still in effect, he had no choice but to rule that way - unless he was being an 'activist'.

Circuit judges must abide by precedent set by the supreme court and other courts in the circuit.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


this wasn't about overturning roe v. wade.

this was a state case banning PBA.

then, why is it that other states in the USA can ban PBA and NJ can not? Because of Alito the Conservative and Trump.


33 posted on 10/31/2005 8:19:23 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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Do you even have a clue? Everything is explained in this sentence: "Our responsibility as a lower court is to follow and apply controlling Supreme Court precedent."

Well, flashbunny, it seems you and I are in agreement this time.

Coleus, you are hysterically taking something you obviously don't understand and compounding your error by using it totally out of context. If we listen to folks like you, pretty soon NO ONE will be qualified for the SCOTUS. Sheesh! Get a grip.

34 posted on 10/31/2005 8:19:41 PM PST by Wolfstar (Happy first birthday, Miss Beasley. Happy Anniversary President and Mrs. Bush.)
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To: Warthogtjm

we still need one more justice for that. the president elected in 2008 will likely replace Stevens and Ginsburg - that president will be the one to reshape the court. if Hillary wins the 2008 election, Roe will never be undone.


35 posted on 10/31/2005 8:19:59 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Mrs. Shawnlaw

7. Legislative Bill 23 defines "partial-birth abortion" as follows:

Partial-birth abortion means an abortion procedure in which the person performing the
abortion partially delivers vaginally a living unborn child before killing the unborn child and
completing the delivery. For purposes of this subdivision, the term partially delivers
vaginally a living unborn child before killing the unborn child means deliberately and
intentionally delivering into the vagina a living unborn child, or a substantial portion
thereof, for the purpose of performing a procedure that the person performing such
procedure knows will kill the unborn child and does kill the unborn child.

Where in the constitution does it give anyone the right to kill a child in the process of being born?

And don't give me that guff that this is only about abortion. We are killing off the disabled and Oregon is allowing the killing of its own infirm or depressed citizens as we speak!


37 posted on 10/31/2005 8:20:23 PM PST by victim soul
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To: Calpernia

I agree.


38 posted on 10/31/2005 8:20:24 PM PST by fatima (I stole MS.BEHAVIN tagline and I am happy:))
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To: Soul Seeker
Yes, he's been endorsed by just about every pro-life and conservative organization. They knew who was on the list of nominees and they did their research. They know what this ruling means.

It was also brought up on another thread today. The key sentence is the one I pulled out- he was bound by precedent. If he wasn't, he could have ruled another way. But he knew his role and didnt' try to overstep the power of his position. That's to be applauded, not called into question.

It always amuses me when I see people saying they want judges to respect the law and the constitution and not be activists, but when somebody fails to bend the rules for their pet issue, all that high minded talk is thrown out the window.
39 posted on 10/31/2005 8:20:49 PM PST by flashbunny (Anybody want to trade Alito back in for Miers?)
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To: flashbunny

Well stated.


40 posted on 10/31/2005 8:21:40 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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