Posted on 10/31/2005 2:45:20 PM PST by AmericaUnite
My comments I've made about 'extreme' are referring to the different translations of the Quran. Not Christianity.
And what stage of notion and I setting? Most of those questions were to your comments asking YOU to explain yourself.
I would echo that. My assertion was only that this woman (Laura) didn't understand her faith at any point up until she had already married her Muslim husband. Where she is now, I don't care. I congradulate her on exposing Islam, but I'd be leary of her grasp on theology.
Later.
In the Quran, Jesus is embraced as a Prophet. I would have no knowledge as to how that was presented to her over 20 years ago to Laura. I do know she was lied to. I do know she didn't learn about most of the lies until she was in Cairo and she went through hell, high water and back trying to get her and her girls out of Cairo. I also know she is still in a battle to keep them. The powers that be in Egypt still are trying to take her youngest girl.
Even sticking with the Old Testament, Judaism expects the arrival of a messiah, while Islam does not (and sets Muhammed as the end-all highest prophet). Deeply fundamental & irreconcilable difference.
(Christianity & Judaism differ only over whether the messiah has come.)
But it is not prohibited.
Laura's quote: "Like Sandy, I had been married to a Muslim man, and over the course of a decade I had been exposed to some rather serious attempts to convert me to Islam, especially while I was in Cairo. And like Sandy, I had resisted all of the attempts at conversion, and had clung to my Christian faith."
You continue to choose to condemn the messenger.
In my opinion, given her current calling and expertise in exposing radical islam in the USA, she's a testament to her Christian faith.
>>>>To your question directly: yes, that was marrying outside of faith - and was well understood as such 20+ years ago. There is nothing new in the issue, save the level of understanding of a few individuals.
I thank you for a much nicer response!
::winded:: Thank you!
You keep referring to this "nonextreme translation".
In Islam, there is - fundamentally speaking - no translation. ONLY the original Arabic form is considered legitimate. Muslims do not adhere to an English translation thereof, using it only as a tool for understanding but deferring final authority to the Arabic form. Kinda like Christians using modern language translations to aid understanding, but deferring to KJV or NIV Bibles and Zondervan transliterations for authoritative answers to sticky points.
LOL, talk about beating a dead horse...
On the surface I agree.
Men are often accused (rightly) of thinking with the wrong head but women are worse. Whether it's security, intrigue, money, love or whatever they make some really poor choices sometimes.
OTOH, I have to admire this woman for 'coming out' on her poor choice.
The bank branch where I do business has two Muslim women working there.
One, black, wears the black head scarf and robe or whatever they are called.
The other may not be muslin. She is white and very pretty. She has a Western first name and a Middle Eastern last name.
Both are very friendly and businesslike
I cannot imagine a woman willingly opting to be treated as Muslim women are treated.
Ok, hold up here if I'm not using the correct terminology.
Depending on who is preaching from the Quran, the meaning is interpreted in different contexts.
The Quran has been translated and depending who is doing the interpretation, it gets translated into different wordings.
I've read 4 different translations of the Quran.
Some of those translations are 'go blow yourself up for jihad' vs. 'struggle to better yourselves'.
There wasn't a 'net 20 years ago, and the relevant issues have been clear for a thousand years. The Crusades acted upon it, Israel was recreated in the face of it and has been under attack for 40+ years, the Iranian Hostage Crisis made the issues blatantly clear on the MSM for over a year 20+ years ago, the Munich Massacre drew attention to it on the MSM before then, and so on ad nauseum.
It hasn't been a secret.
You asked a question and I answered it. Your response was to say I was quoting from the O.T. (later corrected, but still no response to my answer)
After that I asked you a question. Still no response. Your method of debate denotes an assertion trying to be made on your part. IMO.
I do thank the Lord though for Laura and her ability to shed light on Islam for the uneducated masses.
Islam preaches that women should be covered and not expose their limbs. Even ini those situations where clumsy burkhas are not worn and no veils are required to cover the face. It also teaches that men should not expose the lower parts of their bodies.
The reaction of Sarah to the Rabbi is consistent with radical Islamic teachings against Jews - a good deal of which bears a chilling similarlity to Nazi anti-semitism.
America has had its truggles in the past with anti-Semitism, racism, etc. In an attempt to compensate for past worngs, we are bending over backwards and putting on blinders about Islam.
Islam is basically inconsistent with all the premises of a progressive secular or Judaeo-Christian western society. Islam is not oriented in time and spce to the present and the secular world. It is oriented towards the spiritual world and the afterlife. At least in Wahhabism and radical Islamofacism which are very often the same thing.
By permitting more Mulsims to emigrate here, by allowing Muslims to become American citizens, by permitting the existence of Maosques and Madrassehs, by permitting Saudi fanatics to install and fund Wahhabist clerics in America we are undermining our country and western civlization and will soon reach the same stage as western Europe. There you have essentially western societies which have become so overrun with Islamics and Islamc fundamnetalism that the political leaders and people themselves walk in constant fear of offending them, and continually cater to their belief system which leads to more and more conversions into this dangerous cult.
Our political leaders of both parties have failed the American public by not exposing this danger and taking the kind of strong stand needed to assure America will remain the kind of nation our forefathers fought and died for.
You are saying Islam was explained during the Iranian Hostage crisis?
save to fully read thread later and to visit Laura's website
If I missed a question by you I'm sorry. I am being overwhelmed with posts here trying to defend Laura.
The whole birthing of this debate is questioning Laura's faith as a Christian.
Yes, there are translations, which differ in their wording. They are understood, in Islam, to be fallible forms. ONLY the Arabic original is considered correct. If there is a conflict in meaning of translated forms, Muslims go back to the original - they do NOT pick and choose which non-Arabic translation to follow.
If you want to know what the Koran really says, you MUST learn written Arabic. Non-Arabic translations are unquestionably considered mere approximations.
NP Cal. See post #117.
I am being overwhelmed with posts here trying to defend Laura.
I haven't been seeing it that way. I have seen it as you making the case that Christians marrying muslims was considered 'marrying within the faith' twenty years ago.
I can tell you that my preacher would not have conducted that ceremony 40 years ago.
Later. -houeto
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