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Jihad Comes to Small Town USA: Part 6
LauraMansfield.com ^ | October 31, 2005 | Laura Mansfield

Posted on 10/31/2005 2:45:20 PM PST by AmericaUnite

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To: I still care

Islam is, as Islam does..


101 posted on 11/01/2005 7:23:35 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

>>>The author's actions remain, however, fundamentally in violation of her faith and that is the central point of my original post.

Over 20 years ago, outside the knowledge we have now, would marrying a Muslim be considered marrying outside the faith since the 'nonextreme' translations embraced Christians as People of the Book.


102 posted on 11/01/2005 7:24:24 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
You quoted the Old Testament to me to prove your point. Now you dismiss the Old Testament with this? Christians live according to the New Testament, not the old.

Second Corinthians is not in the Old Testament.

103 posted on 11/01/2005 7:24:32 AM PST by houeto (Mr. President, close our borders now!)
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To: Manic_Episode

You are comparing religions. The question was:

Over 20 years ago, outside the knowledge we have now, would marrying a Muslim beconsidered marrying outside the faith since the 'nonextreme' translations embraced Christians as People of the Book.

Because if we are quoting from the Old Testament, and the Old testament is shared, that is not outside of faith based on the Old Testament.


104 posted on 11/01/2005 7:28:47 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

The Quran is the "Bizarro" version of the Old and New Testaments. It's that simple.


105 posted on 11/01/2005 7:29:19 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: All

Excellent article. Though I personally am having a hard time understanding why some of you insist on "shooting the messenger".

We ALL did stupid things in our youth.

What we SHOULD be thankful for is the FACT that we have a Christian woman who can speak their language because of her experiences AND is willing to stick her neck out to bring us all this info.

Everything happens for a reason.


106 posted on 11/01/2005 7:31:22 AM PST by VictoriaMaxwell (Everything happens for a reason.)
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To: bk1000

I don't remember the Iranian Hostage Crisis covering the Islamic Religion, Shariah, and Jihad.

Then again, I was VERY young. So was Laura.


107 posted on 11/01/2005 7:32:35 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: bk1000

>>>>and I blame the weakness of Carter for a lot of their boldness today.

Laura wrote something very compelling about that crisis. I will see if I can find it and post it here.


108 posted on 11/01/2005 7:33:32 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: VictoriaMaxwell

Amen!


109 posted on 11/01/2005 7:34:53 AM PST by Velveeta
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To: Calpernia

Here are your multiple subject questions:

What probing questions about Christianity?
Where in the world does it state a Christian cannot marry outside their faith?
And what religions constitute marrying outside the faith?
What are NT injunctions?
How much did you know about Islam over 20 years ago?

You may have had the goal of asking this question: [So, over 20 years ago, how was marrying a Muslim marrying outside the faith?] but you have been purposely vague trying to set the stage for your notion.

To answer you as directly as I can, yes, Christians are warned not to marry outside of the faith. No amount of revisionism is going to erase that - unless, of course, one creates a new set of internal assumptions about 'extreme' versions and the like.


110 posted on 11/01/2005 7:35:55 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (The problem with being a 'big tent' Party is that the clowns are seated with the paying customers.)
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To: houeto

Pardon me! I apologize for that mistake.


111 posted on 11/01/2005 7:36:38 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: sheik yerbouty

I never said it wasn't.


112 posted on 11/01/2005 7:37:16 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: VictoriaMaxwell

bttt!


113 posted on 11/01/2005 7:37:46 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

You are gagging on a gnat and swallowing a camel.


114 posted on 11/01/2005 7:38:16 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

How so?


115 posted on 11/01/2005 7:39:20 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (The problem with being a 'big tent' Party is that the clowns are seated with the paying customers.)
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To: Calpernia

For those old enough to remember "Superman" and "Bizarro" comics, it was for clarification of the matter.


116 posted on 11/01/2005 7:39:58 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Calpernia; WorkingClassFilth
Let's try this: Over 20 years ago, did we know that ALL of Islam, extreme or not, preached that Jesus was not the Christ?

Yes or no.

The answer answers your repeated question.

(BTW, I did.)

117 posted on 11/01/2005 7:40:56 AM PST by houeto (Mr. President, close our borders now!)
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To: VictoriaMaxwell; Calpernia
What we SHOULD be thankful for is the FACT that we have a Christian woman who can speak their language because of her experiences AND is willing to stick her neck out to bring us all this info.

We should and I am. On the other hand, I cannot let go Calpernia's ridiculous assertion that 20 years ago, marrying a muslim was considered marrying within the faith of a Christian.

118 posted on 11/01/2005 7:43:19 AM PST by houeto (Mr. President, close our borders now!)
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To: Calpernia

Yes, it was.

While there is some commonality of texts and prophets, the core and irreconcileable split between the religions occurred way back with Abraham's first two offspring. Abraham, being promised by God that his heir would sire the Chosen People, let slip his faith when his wife Sarah remained barren, and had Ishmael by his wife's servant Hagar; Sarah subsequently conceived Issac. The controversy & split is centered on whether Ishmael or Issac was the true heir. Judaism (and by extention, Christianity) holds that Issac is the true heir of Abraham, and thus of God's promise, being legitimately born of Abraham's wife. Islam holds that Ishmael is the true heir of Abraham, being his first offspring.

The religions diverge upon the question of who is the legitimate heir of Abraham. While they may legitimately share involvement of the subsequent family trees, they differ on the importance of descendants and subsequent relative importance of prophets et al.

Deciding legitimate heirs thousands of years ago may seem petty, but is not: the upshot (which enters your question regarding "over 20 years ago") is that the faiths are outside each other, as one concludes Israel is the Chosen People and Christ is the messiah, while the other views Israel as the usurper and Christ is a minor prophet - these are, even considered 20+ years ago and based on nonextreme translations, irreconcileable differences in faiths.

BTW: 20+ years has not produced anything new re: Islam vs. Christianity. They've been pretty much at each others' throats for the last thousand years.

To your question directly: yes, that was marrying outside of faith - and was well understood as such 20+ years ago. There is nothing new in the issue, save the level of understanding of a few individuals.


119 posted on 11/01/2005 7:44:07 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: WorkingClassFilth

You are ignoring the story in favor of some Pharisitical rant.


120 posted on 11/01/2005 7:44:32 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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