Posted on 10/31/2005 9:43:58 AM PST by neverdem
You know what? I give up. You are right. Have a nice day.
Perhaps if you didn't try to be insulting andactually discussed things instead of making personal attacks?
Just a suggestion.
Insult?? It wasn't meant as an insult, I apologize.
Now I'm confused, I was referring to the earlier statement you made about Mr. Rice's comment that the holster used and it's location was "poor judgement." I happen to agree with Mr. Rice.
Now you want to discuss deterrence. I would say, just by his qualifications, that Mr. Rice most certainly understands both deterrence and NH law.
He never said that citizens carrying guns did not deter crime and he never said that the police or the "alarmed" citizen were right to harrass a law abiding armed citizen.
I think that depends on the carrier. Of course, carrying a firearm should never be casual.
For thirty years now I have found that being a reasonably fit 6'2" male who maintains, at least the appearance of, self-confidence in public has made me an unfavorable choice for any type of aggression. It also seems to inhibit acts of aggression against others in my presence. I don't think the addition of a sidearm to that profile would make me a more attractive target.
I would agree that carrying requires maintaining a high awareness of one's own conduct (as well as your surroundings) but that's probably a good idea for the un-armed as well. My biggest concern about theft comes when I have to leave my gun in the vehicle but, again, that's where awareness comes in. If there is any reason that someone might know I have a firearm I exercise due discretion about where I park or whether I leave the gun in the cab or store it more securely.
The lawyer made it with tobacco settlements..
Thanks, looks liek a good site to answer all such questions....
Thanks Top...
They didn't use that expression when I was in.
" Rice said, “I think he exercised extraordinarily poor judgment on that particular night (because) he had an open-top holster in the small of his back in an unconcealed fashion. . . .
“Most professionals do not carry a gun there because it’s hard to access the weapon and hard to retain the weapon if someone wants to take it away from you.”"
He is correct that it is not a good idea to carry that way unconcealed. For concealed carry that type of holster is fine. Ever try to draw a concealed pistol positioned behind the hip from a holster with a retaining strap?
IMO it was very poor judgement to remove his jacket when he was supposed to be carrying concealed. You should always be aware that you are carrying, if you forget you have become complacent. In fact, if I was a skeptic (and I am), I would think he intentionally removed his jacket to start an incident.
Michael:
Congratulations for finally getting vindicated. I remember you took quite a bit of bashing on some other forums. Personally, I do not use an open-top holster when carrying openly. I use holsters with a thumb-break.
Bravo Zulu - i.e. WELL DONE in naval alpha code. I wish every pd in the US got similiar "training."
Copy that.
I made damned sure that this department was going to get the necessary training... the consequences otherwise would have been REAL costly.
I am a reserve LEO in a nearby small township; the city cops nearby should have known better.
You can think what you want, and consider me a liar if you wish, but I have always said from March 28, 2004 onward, that it was a mistake on my part resulting from a too-hurried exit from my home to make a dinner reservation and a new, unfamiliar holster. And that's all I have to say about that.
Another correspondant pointed out that the police response would have been the same, or worse, if I had printed, or had been purposefully carrying openly in a Bianci thumb-break hip holster, so Alan Rice's "extremely poor judgement" comment on the style of holster I was using that evening misses the point entirely.
Looking forward to seeing you here!
I'm hoping that this pair of articles will help educate the cops across the state. Should be interesting to see what letters-to-the-editor come in in the next couple of days.
Now try and carry openly here in Texas.
Or, pay up a couple hundred bucks, a 12 hour 1-day class, go through the hoops set up by the States "guilty until proven innocent" background checks, and then maybe they'll let you carry one but ony if you keep it concealed.
We need 50 State Alaska style C/CW to bring us inline with the Second Amendment.
Me? I just keep my M16A2 at sling arms. Less fuss.
Remember, the rest of the expression is "Only when 'tis folly to be wise"
I find it enlightening that two of these folks are Free Staters, a group that has been bashed a lot around here. It seems as though they are making their presence felt in a positive way, good for them.
Though it is legal to carry a gun in plain view, “open-carry is not a bright idea,” Rice said. “You are a target. If someone comes in with criminal intent, the first thing he is going to do is neutralize any person with a weapon who can hurt him.”
Mr. Rice doesn't get it.
Your moniker is ironic.
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