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Is the "No Child Left Behind" Policy hurting our best and brightest?
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Posted on 10/31/2005 9:04:55 AM PST by SouthernBoyupNorth

There's a growing movement in the US that says the educational concept of "No Child Left Behind" is putting an emphasis on basic skills even as it leaves super-achieving kids behind. Bob Davidson is a dot-com millionaire who has co-written a book with his wife Jan titled, "Genius Denied."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: child; children; education; genius; geniusdenied; giftededucation; nclb; publiceducation; schools
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To: megatherium

Agreed. Also, I have to confess that the idea of erasing social divides start to sound like socialist style egalitarianism--though I'm sure that's not what you meant.:)


221 posted on 11/01/2005 7:56:00 PM PST by born in the Bronx
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To: Dianna

If I didn't know better I would swear you were one of the teachers I've been dealing with. These men and women are doing everything in their power to try and do what is best for these children and they are being thwarted at every turn.

I'm not going to stand for it, and I don't give a hoot who I torque off in the district office or on the school boarc. And if I have to go to the County Board of Supervisors about this (they appoit the school board) I will. I'm already an "Oh no not her again" person at the district office, I might as well keep going up the ladder :)


222 posted on 11/01/2005 7:57:03 PM PST by Gabz
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To: Gabz
I am not a teacher........I knew even as a teenager that was not a career for me...........but please beliveme, I have a tremendous amount of repsect for what you are trying to do.

You're a sweetheart! Don't mind me, reality is kicking me in the butt these days.

Last year a veteran teacher said to me, "It goes without saying that you'll teach them as much as you can. But the other part of your job is to provide a safe place, that kids are relatively happy to be in. Try to remember to smile and say something nice to each one. Some days you might be the only one the child encounters who is nice and smiles at him. Some days that is all you will accomplish. It has to be enough."

Reality stinks.

223 posted on 11/01/2005 8:06:12 PM PST by Dianna
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To: Dianna
My current placement (student teacher)is designated as a failing school. They sent a letter to all parents alerting them to the fact that they could move their child to another school, within the district, with transportation at district expense. NOT ONE parent chose to leave. They instituted an after school tutoring program, with buses provided. About half of the children recommended for tutoring attend. Because of the level of their failing designation, they must offer more free tutoring to students who qualify. They are bringing in teachers from other schools to supplement the after school tutoring they already offer. The tutors CANNOT be the regular school teachers (after all, they must be doing a lousy job, right?)

Interesting to me since I offer free private tutoring to my own students. This year I am tutoring 13 students at my school (9 of them mine). Not all are my lowest students 9(some are my higher ones). In fact some of my lowest who could use a little tutoring aren't.

One fourth of my second graders have fathers in jail. Drug use among parents is common. Not one of my students live in an intact home. Homework doesn't often get done. 6 students out of 19 had a parent attend teacher conferences. One half of the school population has turned over since last year.

I live in a middle class area so I don't have that too much though ONE year I did. HOLY TOLEDO!!! I worked my tail off that year. Every day I was thoroughly exhausted. Yes, the home situation is THE BIGGEST determining factor in a child's success. I would add the attitude of the parents and student too. A third factor is the teacher. I respect teachers who have to deal with those type of situations. I have seen many, many wonderful things happen with dedicated teachers and in my own classroom too. Those stories aren't often told.

Two years ago the school (and district) began using the Direct Instruction reading program in their primary grades. If you aren't familiar with this program, it is a wholly scripted, phonics based program. This year they began using Saxon Math in the primary grades as well. This is another wholly scripted program. In two of the three primary subjects, they have removed teachers from the equation.

This almost makes me laugh. We have some new "alternative" schools here. Many of them use DI and Saxon Math. They are lauded by many of the parents who have kids there as some new innovative programs. A lot depends on perceptions I suppose. In my neighborhood, it's a competition for how many things you can get your child involved in and how much you can brag. It's funny listening to some of them talk, but the moment someone else starts on something else, the person stops the conversation. One parent was telling me about the hard work her daughter was doing at one of these alternative schools. She went on and on. I started talking about my own class and some of the things at my own school. She abruptly stopped the conversation and said she had other things to do. Another parent now thinks that since her child is in one of these alternative schools, that now they are some higher up people. She said, "You probably have some of 'those' students in your class." She forgot the many dedicated hours spent by teachers at my school to help her son overcome some internal phobias. He had succeeded a lot (beyond what was expected) because of his parents and caring teachers. He loved his teachers too.

Who will they blame when the students continue to fail? The question is, "Who do they blame already?" It is us. I have seen teachers blamed for about every problem out there. I see a lot of liberals do the same type of stuff to President Bush. The truth is that there are a LOT of different factors besides one. But blaming ONE is the most convenient and the easiest way to pass the buck. It's the fashion anymore.

No child's behind left labels some schools unfairly. I could go through a whole list of examples, but to be short if only 1 category is failed out of 40, then the school gets labeled. This could be as easy as not getting 95% attendance, something teachers don't control, certainly not in your school. It could be some of the resource students not testing up to grade level. I won't elaborate there. It could be the one kid who fits a certain profile not doing well on a test and so on and so on.

Most teachers I know are very dedicated and very good individuals. You don't hear about them very often. I appreciate those parents who are patient with me and I in turn with them. Parents are not perfect and neither are teachers.

I don't like it when there are those who create a climate of disrespect towards others. One example are the antiwar protestors who project a negative image towards soldiers--one reason I really dislike Code Pink people. That gets done towards teachers too. I do think that some teachers need to realize what they do bring upon the rest of us and get back to teaching. But I also think that we need to recognize the many dedicated teachers out there as well. I refer to it as acknowledging the bad and dealing with it, but recognizing the good out there too.

It is not an easy job, especially nowadays with the negative image portrayed towards teachers. BUT I salute you for your efforts. YOU NEVER KNOW what will happen later. I recently sent letters to several of my old teachers thanking them for what they did for me. One sent a reply back thanking me because she often didn't feel like she had much impact. She sure did, at least on me. She was a wonderful teacher and I'm glad I had her.

Teaching is one of the most noble vocations there is. Remember that the Savior was a teacher. (I'm not comparing anyone to him, mind you). We just need to remember that as teachers and act accordingly.

224 posted on 11/02/2005 2:17:13 AM PST by moog
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To: q_an_a

which often is caused by their failure in reading.

Amen to that


225 posted on 11/02/2005 2:21:26 AM PST by moog
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To: Gabz

How we choose to take on that resonsibility is also our responsibility.

Amen to that.


226 posted on 11/02/2005 2:23:16 AM PST by moog
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To: megatherium

who aren't overwhelmed by the discipline issues and other problems students often bring to school.

Yes, we often forget about individual responsibility.


227 posted on 11/02/2005 2:24:53 AM PST by moog
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To: born in the Bronx

I've heard good things about Hirsch.

Good rental cars I hear.


228 posted on 11/02/2005 2:27:27 AM PST by moog
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To: gondramB
Based on the public schools dumbing down of the curriculum, they have become totally incompetent. They have become day care centers not teaching institutions. They have also taken God out of the schools and for these reasons, we send our children to private schools. Amen.
231 posted on 11/02/2005 2:43:35 AM PST by gakrak ("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
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To: Dr. Zzyzx

In our school district, they added a new one. No child will be retained in the same grade regardless of what they have not learned. Move them forward at all costs. Amen. PS by third grade they can then be labeled learning disabled and afforded additional help at significant cost. Amen.


233 posted on 11/02/2005 2:51:55 AM PST by gakrak ("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
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To: GBoettner

males today in school are being feminized and get less and less attention unless they are the right color or show artistic skills

Not in my class.


234 posted on 11/02/2005 3:27:34 AM PST by moog
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To: gakrak

God out of the schools

We got plenty of religious education at home and in Church, though I should mention that we did have daily Bible study part of the day when I was in high school. The ones who objected were other congregations.


235 posted on 11/02/2005 3:30:01 AM PST by moog
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To: GBoettner
My wife , a 1st grade teacher for 15 years has just resigned due to the directive from her Principal that she must cease using a red pen to grade ho,ework papers. It seems a parent ( minority of course, of a less than stellar student)feels that the notes and grades on thier childs paper are harsh and create a damaging effect on her esteem. I am so proud of my wife , she told her school if they think changing the color of ink on grade notes is more important than requiring a parent teacher conference on why a child never completes homework or has shown no progress in the school year than they have the wrong teacher. My wife has had to adjust her teaching plan constantly for this child, reducting the opportunities for learning for the other 24 kids in her class. All to prevent this child from repeating 1st grade! However, now my wife and I don't need to plan vacations around her schedule. So everything cloud does have a silver lining.

I am a first grade teacher too and use whatever color is handy--most often blue though. The parents appreciate getting papers back because if their child has difficulty on something, they can reinforce the concept at home and we work TOGETHER.

You bring up something that I don't think some people realize. The self-esteem stuff is sometimes more often used by the parents than by the teachers. In fact, I don't know of one teacher at my school who uses it.

I must admit that I wouldn't resign over using red pen (it would take a lot to get me to resign because I love teaching so much), but it is good that your wife stood up for her beliefs. Note that in some cultures (Korean for example), using red pen is the same as writing a dead person's name. It is highly taboo in Korea at least.

I applaud you for being the supportive spouse of a teacher. Such is not easy. My wife knows so as well.

236 posted on 11/02/2005 3:36:50 AM PST by moog
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To: Dianna

Reality stinks.

Add a little perfume and it smells better.


237 posted on 11/02/2005 3:38:54 AM PST by moog
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To: GBoettner

One of my students went up two grade levels this last month in reading. Her parents, she, and I are very excited.


238 posted on 11/02/2005 3:40:30 AM PST by moog
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To: GBoettner
The only thing I do towards the boys in my class regarding feminine stuff is that I tell them to remember to tell their moms that they are the most beautiful women in the world and to show respect for them.

Respect towards moms is just a basic thing for me. I learned it the hard way--I got many a sore backside from my dad when I disrespected my mom.

239 posted on 11/02/2005 3:43:19 AM PST by moog
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To: q_an_a
"NanoTech, quantum physics, chaos theory are part of science
is a huge leap in what kids must know"

It's not taught in the public school system where I live.

"Colleges are full of more kids that ever, that is not a sign of a poor education system."

It's about the money, not the quality of what is being taught. And the quality has gone way down.

"The USA still exports more high tech and manufactured goods than any country in the world - that means that some of these high school kids are still doing the job."

Robotics and CAM have made it so that a barber can work on a computer Assembly line with minimal training.

The socialist/feminist/anti-capitalist theme of a liberal arts degree nowadays isn't so much education as it is indoctrination.
240 posted on 11/02/2005 3:49:16 AM PST by Rebelbase
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