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Is the "No Child Left Behind" Policy hurting our best and brightest?
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Posted on 10/31/2005 9:04:55 AM PST by SouthernBoyupNorth

There's a growing movement in the US that says the educational concept of "No Child Left Behind" is putting an emphasis on basic skills even as it leaves super-achieving kids behind. Bob Davidson is a dot-com millionaire who has co-written a book with his wife Jan titled, "Genius Denied."

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KEYWORDS: child; children; education; genius; geniusdenied; giftededucation; nclb; publiceducation; schools
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To: moog
Nah that’s not the case... I'm trying REAL hard not to post swearwords on this forum.... I can think of at least a dozen expletive adjectives that are offensive and accurately the school system here...
141 posted on 11/01/2005 5:02:48 AM PST by SouthernBoyupNorth ("For my wings are made of Tungsten, my flesh of glass and steel..........")
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To: Chickensoup

I think that rubbing elbows with the mentally retarded is nice, like going to a museum.

Now that's a real "educated" statement if I ever heard one. "Tim" is a genuine hero and if we all had his attitude about life, we would all be the better. I respect those moms who put so much time into raising those with Downs' syndrome and the like.


142 posted on 11/01/2005 5:13:28 AM PST by moog
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To: SouthernBoyupNorth

It was a "sorry" pun. :0


143 posted on 11/01/2005 5:14:31 AM PST by moog
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To: moog
Most teachers would agree with you at least here. Rep's here are about 50/50 on it. The ones above level are the ones who raise the averages. People should recognize that. I sure do, but that's not the main reason I try to encourage my high achieving learners.

Many of the teachers here feel they are caught between a rock and a hard space when it comes to state test scores. The don't want to "use" (abuse) the high achievers to bring up scores, but wind up having to do just that. It's a vicious cycle for all involved.

144 posted on 11/01/2005 5:21:53 AM PST by Gabz
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To: moog

I choose to ignore it....


145 posted on 11/01/2005 5:22:18 AM PST by SouthernBoyupNorth ("For my wings are made of Tungsten, my flesh of glass and steel..........")
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To: Chickensoup

That's a rather negative attitude to take


146 posted on 11/01/2005 5:26:02 AM PST by Gabz
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To: Gabz
Many of the teachers here feel they are caught between a rock and a hard space when it comes to state test scores. The don't want to "use" (abuse) the high achievers to bring up scores, but wind up having to do just that. It's a vicious cycle for all involved.

Here, if the child does not show up for testing, then it is factored in as a "0." Yes, there have been many families go on Disneyland and other trips during test week. Such can affect test scores quite a bit. That's not to mention all of the other factors--too many to list here. Most years I'm able to make up stuff okay, though some years I have to scramble.

My students last year got pretty high test scores. I have to wonder if I will be penalized if they go down. Each year it's a different group of kids. I do get lucky most of the time with what I get.

147 posted on 11/01/2005 5:26:55 AM PST by moog
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To: vikingd00d
When the marxist Thomas Dewey (who designed the public school system) said: 'A thinking child is a threat, and spoils the harmony of the collective society that is coming.'

Dewey helped introduce innovations in education to get children beyond rote learning, where facts are memorized but not understood. He wanted learning to be active, where students build things or conduct scientific experiments. His experimental public school had laboratories in it. So pardon me for saying that I am skeptical that Dewey said such a thing, or that if he did, this quote isn't out of context.

I should say I'm not trying to defend Dewey. And I'm not a big fan of the public schools -- I teach math at the college level and I see first-hand the poor preparation and slack attitudes of high school students.

148 posted on 11/01/2005 5:27:51 AM PST by megatherium (Hecho in China)
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To: SouthernBoyupNorth

I choose to ignore it....

Thank you.


149 posted on 11/01/2005 5:28:00 AM PST by moog
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To: megatherium

and slack attitudes of high school students.

Individual effort sometimes get lost in the "blame the other guy" game.


150 posted on 11/01/2005 5:30:08 AM PST by moog
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To: moog
Here, if the child does not show up for testing, then it is factored in as a "0." Yes, there have been many families go on Disneyland and other trips during test week. Such can affect test scores quite a bit.

My daughter, who loves school, came down with a stomache virus during test week last year..........arrangements were made so that she could make up the ones she missed, in order to keep scores up.

There is no way on earth I could be a teacher - not with what all of you folks have to put up with and deal with. I am very thankful there are people out there like you who have the ability to do what I am so inadequate at.

151 posted on 11/01/2005 5:34:48 AM PST by Gabz
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To: Puddleglum
And yet here even the Pubbie state legislators love, LOVE big education. I feel like Boss Hawg runs the Republican party here.

I've never lived in Texas so I would not know for sure. But both my little sisters do live there. My understanding is that education in Texas has very little to do with the ABCs and the 123s and a lot to do with football. Big education is really just a training camp for the Aggies and the Dallas cowboys.

152 posted on 11/01/2005 5:38:20 AM PST by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: USNBandit

"I think the biggest problem are the standards of learning tests. The schools are teaching to the test to get that lowest common denominator student to pass. School has become a 9 month cram session for a two day battery of tests. The tests, especially in elementary grades, test too wide a variety of subjects.
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100% true. I have some family members who are teachers. They hate how things are now geared 100% towards tests. It gives them little flexibility and freedom in how they teach their class and it helps produce a generation who is good at filling out bubble sheets, but who aren’t taught to think outside of the box and be creative. I think the current obsession with standardized testing will come back and bite us, particularly as the author points out, with the brightest kids.


153 posted on 11/01/2005 5:39:07 AM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: SouthernBoyupNorth

Another reason why we homeschool


154 posted on 11/01/2005 5:42:54 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow (Freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.)
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To: Gabz
There is no way on earth I could be a teacher - not with what all of you folks have to put up with and deal with. I am very thankful there are people out there like you who have the ability to do what I am so inadequate at. After many years I finally got around to thanking some of the MANY good teachers I had in school. I got a few replies back saying I had made their day. I've always tried to remember to give compliments (when they're deserved) and to say thank you--two things my parents taught me from very young. I always make sure to tell a parent or teacher when someone has said something nice about them or their kids/students.

Yes, there's a lot of crap to put up with and it's almost impossible to satisfy 75 people at a time. But I'm a dumb-dumb, I still try. I'm just glad that the parents/students are patient with such a bumbling person as me. I have learned to be patient as well. For example, MANY, MANY, MANY times parents have forgotten about tutoring appointments which kind of wastes my time as I have to wait for a little bit or more. But I've found other stuff to do and have learned to brush things off. I don't like to get uptight over small things because I have much bigger things to worry about.

I learn a LOT from the parents and students and I gain a lot of perspectives. I wonder why I am so lucky sometimes.

155 posted on 11/01/2005 5:43:07 AM PST by moog
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To: SouthernBoyupNorth
I fear for him when he gets to college.... Why? College is the first place where he can begin taking classes that are geared towards his intellect. He can drift toward the hard science classes (Physics, Engineering, Math, CompSci, etc.) and take minimal pansy classes. That would probably thrill him.

But is he ready to compete? If you can prepare him outside of his pathetic school for the levels of competition, he'll do fine.

156 posted on 11/01/2005 5:43:19 AM PST by Maigrey (1-800-pryrwrr. Just a ring away...)
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To: Gabz
There is no way on earth I could be a teacher - not with what all of you folks have to put up with and deal with. I am very thankful there are people out there like you who have the ability to do what I am so inadequate at.

One of the reasons why I appreciate the military and for that matter, any good, honest, down-to-earth, hardworking person, especially if they are a MOM.

157 posted on 11/01/2005 5:45:59 AM PST by moog
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To: jackbenimble

Big education is really just a training camp for the Aggies and the Dallas cowboys.

Don't forget the Horned Frogs!!!


158 posted on 11/01/2005 5:49:15 AM PST by moog
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To: SmoothTalker

I think the current obsession with standardized testing will come back and bite us

More and more and more and more and more and more and more and more testing is perpetuated by the "conservatives" here.


159 posted on 11/01/2005 5:51:20 AM PST by moog
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To: SouthernBoyupNorth
The gifted need their own tracks, and they need gifted teachers who understand them, know how to interest them, feed them as fast as they can learn, etc. One or two teachers in a child's career can make all the difference. Those teachers must love intellectual things, love ability and merit and cultivate it as coaches cultivate athletic prowess. There cannot be an ounce of political nonsense or egalitarian ideology in their heads, or their kids will notice it in seconds and consider them oppressive tyrants who hate them, for life. It is unjust and kids have no patience for what they know is unjust. Nor should they. But if it is all they get, they declare independence but lack guidance and direction as a result.
160 posted on 11/01/2005 5:53:18 AM PST by JasonC
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