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To: Double Tap

I checked it out, my memory was wrong on that, I correct the record here and admit my mistake. The non ratified amendment had to do with apportionment. But see Barron v. Baltimore, 1833, for established precedent on the original intent of the BOR


36 posted on 10/31/2005 10:29:37 AM PST by phelanw
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To: phelanw
First of all, thanks for the correction.

Second, I've read Barron v. Baltimore, Marshall is/was wrong. Any reading of the Founders makes a person realize that they meant what they said.

Article. VI. Clause 1: All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

Clause 2: This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

Clause 3: The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Clause Two is very simple.

39 posted on 10/31/2005 10:35:18 AM PST by Double Tap
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To: phelanw
How about reading exactly what those who wrote it said?

There remains but one other view of this matter to conclude the point. The truth is, after all the declamations we have heard, that the Constitution is itself, in every rational sense, and to every useful purpose, A BILL OF RIGHTS. The several bills of rights in Great Britain form its Constitution, and conversely the constitution of each State is its bill of rights. And the proposed Constitution, if adopted, will be the bill of rights of the Union. Publius. Federalist #84.

From these observations it appears, that in forming a government on its true principles, the foundation should be laid in the manner I before stated, by expressly reserving to the people such of their essential rights as are not necessary to be parted with. The same reasons which at first induced mankind to associate and institute government, will operate to influence them to observe this precaution. If they had been disposed to conform themselves to the rule of immutable righteousness, government would not have been requisite. It was because one part exercised fraud, oppression and violence, on the other, that men came together, and agreed that certain rules should be formed to regulate the conduct of all, and the power of the whole community lodged in the hands of rulers to enforce an obedience to them. But rulers have the same propensities as other men; they are as likely to use the power with which they are vested, for private purposes, and to the injury and oppression of those over whom they are placed, as individuals in a state of nature are to injure and oppress one another. It is therefore as proper that bounds should be set to their authority, as that government should have at first been instituted to restrain private injuries. Brutus. Anti-Federalist #84

Game. Set. Match. The opinions of the judiciary that run contrary to the express language and original intent of the Constitution are vacant and wrong.

40 posted on 10/31/2005 10:37:50 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be. -El Neil)
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Here is what I was misremembering. The link is provided below, then the text.

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_bor.html

This point is best illustrated by one of the amendments that Madison proposed in his initial speech:

"Fifthly, That in article 1st, section 10, between clauses 1 and 2, be inserted this clause, to wit: No State shall violate the equal rights of conscience, or the freedom of the press, or the trial by jury in criminal cases."

This clause, seemingly innocuous to us today, was rejected by the Senate in its final draft of the Bill, and the concept that any part of the Bill of Rights would apply to the states was still 100 years away. Several cases that came before the Supreme Court in the 19th century attempted to have the Court establish that the Bill should apply to the states, to no avail:

So Madison had wanted to place limits on state powers in the BOR, but Congress did not include that language.

42 posted on 10/31/2005 10:41:07 AM PST by phelanw
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