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Joe Wilson In A Bind
American Spectator ^ | 10-31-05 | Clinton W. Taylor

Posted on 10/30/2005 9:25:14 PM PST by smoothsailing

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To: palmer
"CPD concluded that with no other options, sending the former ambassador to Niger was worth a try"

This is the Senate Intelligence Committee's summation of the CPD meeting at which the decision was made to send Wilson to Niger. It's unambiguous and indicates that whether Plame promoted her husband for the trip or merely offered to talk to him when asked she did not originate the idea of sending someone and did not make the decision to send him.

The whole question of Plame's participation is a disgusting red herring.

81 posted on 10/31/2005 7:17:27 AM PST by liberallarry
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To: mewzilla
Wasn't clear to Fitzgerald apparently

I haven't read Fitzgerald yet...but he's been quoted as saying [paraphrase] that he's been very cautious and careful and making his charges, about which laws were broken. There are a lot of technical considerations.

Plame was an employee of the Counter Proliferation Division, a part of the Directorate of Operations, not the Directorate of Intelligence. She apparently had enough power to (possibly) send her husband on important missions. So she wasn't a janitor or clerk. Whether she is or was covert and what that means legally is still not absolutely clear.

82 posted on 10/31/2005 7:24:49 AM PST by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
There are a lot of technical considerations.

Not when it comes to that particular statute, however. It didn't apply to Plame.

83 posted on 10/31/2005 7:27:27 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: liberallarry
and did not make the decision to send him.

That's a red herring, nobody suggests she made the decision.

From the Washington Post: "Valerie had nothing to do with the matter," Wilson wrote in a memoir published this year. "She definitely had not proposed that I make the trip."

Wilson stood by his assertion in an interview yesterday, saying Plame was not the person who made the decision to send him. Of her memo, he said: "I don't see it as a recommendation to send me."

Thanks for repeating Wilson's red herrings to us, you did an excellent job.

84 posted on 10/31/2005 8:00:35 AM PST by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: liberallarry
"The authors claimed that the report Cheney's office wanted investigated was the forged one sent by SISMI. I can't find the article. I wanted to re-read it and check the facts and assertions."

According to a lengthy article in this week's Weekly Standard, the forged documents didn't show up at the American embassy in Italy until nearly eight months AFTER Wilson's trip. Wilson's trip had nothing to do with the forged documents.
85 posted on 10/31/2005 8:03:04 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Gondring

What Plame's memo failed to mention is that Wilson was formerly married to a French diplomatic staffer, who some folks believe was actually an intellligence agent. Also, that Wilson was a business consultant on African affairs, and so might have had a conflict of interest.

Did the CIA ask him about any of these things?


86 posted on 10/31/2005 8:08:19 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: liberallarry

One other thing the media and Dems never mention: Doesn't the fact that Cheney asked the CIA to check out the Niger story suggest that he was interested in getting the facts straight? If he was indifferent to the facts, or wanted the facts ignored, he would never have made the request in the first place.


87 posted on 10/31/2005 8:09:04 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: liberallarry

If the CIA was seriously trying to protect Plame's identity, they should never have selected Wilson for the Niger assignment, much less allowed him to speak to the press about it in a highly politicized manner. Once he did that, the "outing" of Plame was a virtual certainty. The MSM made that very point - among many others - in their "amici curiae" brief in the Miller/Cooper case, where they argued there was no underlying crime that would justify jailing the reporters for refusal to divulge sources.


88 posted on 10/31/2005 8:13:50 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: smoothsailing

On another related matter, what happened to ravingnutter? Haven't seen any posts by him lately. One of his last posts indicated he had gotten a private freepmail that warned him off this story. Any news on raving?


89 posted on 10/31/2005 8:16:48 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: Steve_Seattle
"Wilson's trip had nothing to do with the forged documents."

To finish my thought: The fact that Wilson later claimed - before later denying - that he had seen the forged documents and reported their bogus status in his report was perhaps his most egregious lie, far more damaging than the oft-repeated claim that he alleged it was Cheney who sent him to Niger. Who sent him to Niger is really a non-issue except for the fact that his wife's role was bound to be discovered. Whether it was his wife or Cheney or someone else who sent him to Niger is irrelevant to the more important facts. But the spin in the press - encouraged by Wilson - was that he had exposed the forgeries and that Cheney deliberately disregared him. Both of those claims are absolutely false, and that is what got Libby so mad.
90 posted on 10/31/2005 8:21:18 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Gondring

My point is that if Plame recommended her husband, knowing that he had been formerly married to a French diplomat, knowing he was a business consultant on Africa, and probably knowing that he was a Democrat partisan, then maybe it doesn't surprise that she is radioactive at the CIA.


91 posted on 10/31/2005 8:21:38 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: popdonnelly

No news on ravingnutter, but I think this story was the downfall of cyncooper, who had followed it closely, got too emotionally involved in it, and was - I'm told - suspended for repeated abrasive comments to those who didn't share her opinion.


92 posted on 10/31/2005 8:23:38 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: smoothsailing

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93 posted on 10/31/2005 8:24:19 AM PST by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve..)
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To: OldFriend
"The media will never even acknowledge that Wilson is not truthful. They ignore the 9/11 Commission Report when it's convenient and drag it out as gospel when it fits their agenda for Bush bashing."

I made that point - among others - in a lengthy email to a member of the Seattle Times editorial staff over the weekend. They were crowing that the Libby indictment shows that "the sytem works," so I asked if the system is working so great, why did Clinton walk free for the same offenses Libby is accused of? I also pointed out media hypocrisy over leaks, classified information, etc., and the media's role in demonizing Kenneth Starr and impeding his investigation of Clinton.
94 posted on 10/31/2005 8:31:06 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: smoothsailing

Wilson will never have to worry about anything because the MSM will continue to ignore his lies, inconsistencies, political motivation, and partisan associations. The Plamegate story needs a hero and a victim, and the MSM have cast Wilson in that role, and nothing will change that. Nothing, unless and until it's too late to make any difference. Two liberals wrote a very fair portrait of Kenneth Starr ("The Truth at Any Cost"), and damning of the Clinton White House, but by then it was too late, the public didn't want to hear about it anymore, and nobody read it.


95 posted on 10/31/2005 8:37:13 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Gondring
thanks for posting this excerpt.
96 posted on 10/31/2005 8:42:29 AM PST by mac_truck (Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
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To: SE Mom
The most interesting part of Joe's little plot is the fact that "couples" are involved: Valerie and Joe, Mandy Grunwald and Matt Cooper, Hillary and Bubba.

None can be forced to testify against each other which sounds better than the 5th.

So, not all of them had to know "at the beginning" but they all knew when they hired Joe in May 2003. Two months later, (with the 5 year requirement passed), he would write his article, telling the world that HE WAS THE ENVOY sent to Niger.

The fact that they say that her classification was being changed in the Spring of 2003 and the ambiguity of her real classification suggests that some one may be playing with classification files.

97 posted on 10/31/2005 8:48:04 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: TChad

Hey! I used to live in Palo Alto .. and I can tell you it is NOT a conservative town.


98 posted on 10/31/2005 8:48:07 AM PST by CyberAnt (I BELIEVE CONGRESSMAN WELDON!)
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To: Concerned

Except they're husband and wife. They do not have to say anything about anything which would incriminate themselves or each other.


99 posted on 10/31/2005 8:50:21 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Gondring

Thank You Much!! What's CPD??


100 posted on 10/31/2005 8:52:55 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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