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Religious beliefs trump hurricane relief
NBC2 News OnLine ^ | October 29, 2005 | Danielle Pepe

Posted on 10/30/2005 11:20:54 AM PST by gcruse

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To: Matchett-PI
In America, one man’s liberty is not dependent upon another man’s conscience!

Which says to me that if Busch didn't like the fact that the Southern Baptists wouldn't hand out their water, they should have passed it out themselves without making an issue out of it.

If my "moral conscience" tells me I shouldn't do a thing and a person knows my "moral conscience" is telling my I shouldn't but attempts to force me to then ridicules me for it when I refuse...I suspect that person isn't doing it because they're wanting to get something done, but rather to make me look bad.

I think it's bad manners on Busch's part. But who cares about manners.

41 posted on 10/30/2005 1:18:52 PM PST by 2Jedismom (Expect me when you see me!)
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To: BenLurkin
"Ah. You are serious."

Just as serious as Jesus is as he exposes the difference between a mature Godly man and reeeeeeeeeeally, reeeeeeeally religious hypocrites showing them for who and what they ARE:

Luk 10:29 But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?

Luk 10:30 And Jesus answering said, A certain [man] went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded [him], and departed, leaving [him] half dead.

Luk 10:31 And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.

Luk 10:32 And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked [on him], and passed by on the other side.

Luk 10:33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion [on him],

Luk 10:34 And went to [him], and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.

Luk 10:35 And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave [them] to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.

Luk 10:36 Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?

Luk 10:37 And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

42 posted on 10/30/2005 1:27:24 PM PST by Matchett-PI ( "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight Eisenhower)
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To: 2Jedismom
"If my "moral conscience" tells me I shouldn't do a thing and a person knows my "moral conscience" is telling my I shouldn't but attempts to force me to then ridicules me for it when I refuse...I suspect that person isn't doing it because they're wanting to get something done, but rather to make me look bad. I think it's bad manners on Busch's part. But who cares about manners."

The shoe fits, so wear it.

I will guarantee you that if you were dying of thirst, you would not only not refuse to handle the containers, but would also not refuse to drink water offered to you by a "beer company".

Who is kidding who?

43 posted on 10/30/2005 1:36:56 PM PST by Matchett-PI ( "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight Eisenhower)
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To: Matchett-PI

No, you're right...if I were dying of thirst I'd drink a 42 oz malt duck if someone handed it to me!

:-)

But I don't think that's the case in this situation, I don't think anyone is dying and simple courtesy could have prevented all of this.

There are things that I would not ask a Jewish person to do in a "non-emergency" situation, because although I might not agree, it wouldn't be courteous.


44 posted on 10/30/2005 1:41:47 PM PST by 2Jedismom (Expect me when you see me!)
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To: Matchett-PI
This FEMA water and ice thing is unnecessary. All week, the local DJ's have taken over my regular radio programs to facilitate the collection of freebies we don't need. One afternoon, I bypassed long lines at a neighborhood distribution point and went to the grocery store and bought ice for $1.39. A friend bought water.

I read somewhere that FEMA figured out how to increase the cost of $5,000 truck of ice to $30,000. Otherwise, it has been like living in a police state with every government official thinking up ways to inconvenience citizens with road blocks and curfews. But fortunately my lights came on yesteray, so I am happy about that.

45 posted on 10/30/2005 1:43:33 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: 2Jedismom
Southern Baptists are the 2nd largest trained disaster relief organization in the United States, after the Red Cross.

Let's trash 'em.

I'd rather praise them ...

46 posted on 10/30/2005 2:06:04 PM PST by caryatid (Stand still and look until you really see ...)
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To: 2Jedismom

Bless you and your family.


47 posted on 10/30/2005 2:07:05 PM PST by caryatid (Stand still and look until you really see ...)
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To: 2Jedismom
The reeeally "rightous people" may have accused Jesus of using "bad manners", too, the way he made such a big deal out of their "religion".
48 posted on 10/30/2005 2:20:01 PM PST by Matchett-PI ( "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight Eisenhower)
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To: 2Jedismom
I think it's bad manners on Busch's part. But who cares about manners.

You think it's bad manner on Busch's part to give water to people who need it?  That's all you could be referring to, as Busch neither wrote this reporter's story nor refused  to give away the water.  Other than being a donor, they are not involved.  I'd say whacking donors is bad manners itself, but that would be bad manners.
49 posted on 10/30/2005 2:23:30 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: gcruse

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So it's good if gubmint doesn't want an image of an elf on a beer can to encourage 'the chillldren' to drink beer and it's bad if a can of water has "Busch" printed on it? Sounds like the media is doing what they do best, attack good people doing good things. Seriously, let the SBC make their own decisions about what is appropriate for them. No one is dying of thirst here, and if there were, Terry Schaivo's executioners have assured me that it isn't uncomfortable at all.


50 posted on 10/30/2005 2:23:33 PM PST by theymakemesick (Sept 11th was perpetrated by GOOD MUSLIMS www.prophetofdoom.com)
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To: ClaireSolt
"This FEMA water and ice thing is unnecessary. ..I bypassed long lines at a neighborhood distribution point and went to the grocery store and bought ice for $1.39. A friend bought water..."

"The government" is only providing what dependents have been indoctrinated to expect. The rest of us do what you did.

Do you think I'm going to sit around my house in New Orleans (or anywhere else) and watch a cat 5 hurricane heading straight for me for one solid week and be dumb enough to sit there and wait for "the government" to tell me what I need to do before I take action?

51 posted on 10/30/2005 2:26:25 PM PST by Matchett-PI ( "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight Eisenhower)
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To: theymakemesick
good people doing good things.

What's good about moralizing prigs foisting their prejudices onto unwilling victims?

52 posted on 10/30/2005 2:28:52 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: gcruse
"Other than being a donor, they are not involved. I'd say whacking donors is bad manners itself, but that would be bad manners."

Especially since Jesus would equate the donor to "the good Samaritan"

Luk 10:36 Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?

Luk 10:37 And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

Note - Jesus doesn't add, "...except if you are a dirty rotten sinner who proves you're incapable of showing mercy because you send water in a filthy beer can."

53 posted on 10/30/2005 2:39:58 PM PST by Matchett-PI ( "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight Eisenhower)
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To: gcruse

Seems you're in the minority that thinks that "good things" aren't being done. From the article: "Why do you want to make that the issue? That's not the issue. The issue is that we're here trying to help people," Cook said. No one disagrees with that, but the Red Cross says Anheuser-Busch is also trying to help."

No one is holding a gun to their head and forcing them to stand in the SBC line. If they don't like the message they can go to the ARC line. Does the SBC not have ANY water to hand out? Oddly, (not) the article doesn't seem to mention that. Go figure, typical MSM reporting.


54 posted on 10/30/2005 2:45:16 PM PST by theymakemesick (Sept 11th was perpetrated by GOOD MUSLIMS www.prophetofdoom.com)
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To: Matchett-PI

Lips that touch water that touch a can that comes from a brewery will never touch mine! --Indignant 3:16


55 posted on 10/30/2005 2:47:47 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: theymakemesick
Oddly, (not) the article doesn't seem to mention that. Go figure, typical MSM reporting.

So now you're bashing the reporter for not reporting what louts the lazy line standers were for not going elseshere,  and for not bashing the brewer's insensitivity?  Whew.  You ask a lot.
56 posted on 10/30/2005 2:51:28 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: theymakemesick; gcruse
"Seems you're in the minority that thinks that "good things" aren't being done..."

You are either deliberately missing the point or really are that obtuse.

57 posted on 10/30/2005 2:55:00 PM PST by Matchett-PI ( "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight Eisenhower)
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To: gcruse

"So now you're bashing the reporter for not reporting what louts the lazy line standers were for not going elseshere, and for not bashing the brewer's insensitivity? Whew. You ask a lot."

So are you saying that the SBC WAS handing out water, only not in Busch's cans? And when did I ever call Busch insensitive? I appreciate their gesture every bit as much as I appreciate the SBC's decision not to use their water.


58 posted on 10/30/2005 3:08:50 PM PST by theymakemesick (Sept 11th was perpetrated by GOOD MUSLIMS www.prophetofdoom.com)
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To: Matchett-PI

"You are either deliberately missing the point or really are that obtuse."

OK, the point is that the SBC elected not to pass out water in cans that had the Busch label on them because they felt that it contradicted their position on alcohol. What am I missing?


59 posted on 10/30/2005 3:10:34 PM PST by theymakemesick (Sept 11th was perpetrated by GOOD MUSLIMS www.prophetofdoom.com)
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To: theymakemesick
I appreciate their gesture every bit as much as I appreciate the SBC's decision not to use their water.

But that's just the point, isn't it?  The SBC was not going to be using the water.  They running a supply center, and were supposed to pass it to others for whom it had a use.
60 posted on 10/30/2005 3:16:44 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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