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Apart from vomitoriums and orgies, what did the Romans do for us?
Guardian (U.K.) ^ | Saturday October 29, 2005 | Mary Beard

Posted on 10/30/2005 1:05:06 AM PDT by nickcarraway

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1 posted on 10/30/2005 1:05:07 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: SunkenCiv; blam

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2 posted on 10/30/2005 1:05:31 AM PDT by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: nickcarraway

I don't know? Indoor plumbing maybe, the spread of Christianity?


3 posted on 10/30/2005 1:08:43 AM PDT by goonie4life9
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To: goonie4life9

rome also gave us the form of govt known as the republic. basically, america is truly romes grandchild. america inherited well, lets just hope she quits squandering her inheritance before its too late.


4 posted on 10/30/2005 1:34:38 AM PDT by son of caesar (son of caesar)
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To: son of caesar

Yeah, I know. But I figured indoor plumbing and Christianity would be trivial to them. The leftists hate Christians, and have no problem wallowing in crap, seeing as they are so full of it.


5 posted on 10/30/2005 1:36:26 AM PDT by goonie4life9
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To: nickcarraway
A precedent for slavery?
6 posted on 10/30/2005 1:37:13 AM PDT by Spirited
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To: nickcarraway

Our language, and most of our law.


7 posted on 10/30/2005 1:44:53 AM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (The Democratic Party-Jackass symbol, jackass leaders, jackass supporters.)
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To: nickcarraway

I suppose the endless fascination with the Romans stems from the fact that we are their descendants in terms of civilization and culture. Despite our manifest differences, many ideas crucial to the Romans are likewise crucial to us -- distributed, non-centralized power in government, the rule of law, peace through strength, and big engineering projects in serivce of the public good. They didn't always live up to their ideals (as neither do we), but the net impact of Roman presence on the world and the sum total of human culture was positive, as is ours.


8 posted on 10/30/2005 1:47:07 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Republicam)
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To: nickcarraway

Dormice. Just the treat for dorcats.


9 posted on 10/30/2005 1:31:57 AM PST by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: nickcarraway
"American viewers in the 1970s certainly took the seedy court politics on display in the BBC adaptation of Robert Graves's I Claudius as an allegory of Nixon's White House - a parallel which may possibly have been in the mind of the film-makers"...
...and was definitely in the mind of the writer of this article. No one else drew such a ridiculous parallel.

I watched the series with fascination. There was essentially no parallel to the Nixon admiistration. There were more parallels to the Kennedy administration.

I also bought and read Gibbon's The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire during the Jimmy Carter presidency. I realized that any nation that would elect a moron like that, and let him serve out four years and make foreign and domestic policy, was likely headed for a fall, and I wanted to know how such a collapse would come about.

It is obvious that the Left today represents Decadence--the same kind of Decay that brought about the fall of Rome and all its horrors.

The Clinton administration and the complicity and interference run by the press to all its corruption, the mendacity of the press and our universities and their service to propaganda, the corruption in the press and the Democrat Party--all are unmistakable signs of Decadence (as though the free fall of American cultural standards were not evidence enough).

It is the American Heartland that is vibrant, energetic, optimistic, and ascendant. It has everything to offer.

The Left has nothing to offer but mendacity, asassination of the characters of its opponents, and a ruthless grasp for power--just like Livia, Tiberias, Poppea, Nero, Caligula--the list goes on and on.

The Left is Decadence.

10 posted on 10/30/2005 2:30:29 AM PST by Savage Beast (The internet is the newspaper of record.)
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To: nickcarraway

The Marxists said religion was the opiate of the people, but I've often thought there was much to the phrase, "Bread and circuses" to keep the populace quiet.


11 posted on 10/30/2005 2:50:46 AM PST by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: nickcarraway

Toga parties!


12 posted on 10/30/2005 2:58:35 AM PST by etcetera
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To: nickcarraway

What did the Romans do for us?

Not sure of everything they did, but I see a lot of cool movies with glad he ate her's and stuff, and I refuse to buy a watch or clock without them new-fangled roman numerals on them.


13 posted on 10/30/2005 3:06:18 AM PST by tdscpa
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To: Spirited
A precedent for slavery?

Irrelevent..

Slavery was a world-wide practice..
Likewise, the first encoded laws, by Hammurabi, included an entire section dealing specifically with slavery, both voluntary and involuntary, and including the rights of slaves..

14 posted on 10/30/2005 3:06:20 AM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Savage Beast

Among Roman contributions don't forget the arch, modern concrete, the modern highway of which many are still in use in Europe and the British Isles.


15 posted on 10/30/2005 3:06:24 AM PST by snoringbear
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To: nickcarraway
Unfortunately, Mary Beard misses the truth that is right before her eyes.

The Decadence of the West parallels the Decadence of Rome. The Left is its contemporary manifestation. Leftist propaganda organs such as The Guardian feed it.

The closest she can come to comprehending what's occurring is the irrelevant and unlikely Nixon Administration, hardly an example of Decadence at all.

She--and those who produce The Guardian--are obviously oblivious to the implications of the Carter, Clinton, and Kennedy Administrations, the absurdity of the election of the likes of Jacques Chirac and Gerhardt Schroeder, and the nomination of a man such as John Kerry to the U.S. Presidency; the paralysis of Europe in preventing a Muslim conquest; ubiquitous abuse of addictive drugs in the West; the decline of Christianity and the rise of crypto-atheisim; the persistence of Marxism though it has failed consistently and killed more than 100 million people; the suicidal loss of the will to survive in many nations of Western Europe; the glorification of sexual promiscuity even as the HIV plague mushrooms; the decline of the family; the replacement of the old morality with the new morality, i.e. permissiveness; the sacrifice of the values of Western Civilization before silly phantom of Diversity; the abandonment of truth and its quest, notably in academia and journalism, in favor of propaganda and political expediency... The list goes on and on.

All of this must have escaped Mary--and has certainly escaped the producers of The Guardian, judging from their past publications.

They evidently have no comprehension whatsoever of Decadence and how it has infected contemporary Western Civilization and how it brought about the slow and horrifying fall of Rome, its ultimate collapse, and the thousand-years darkness that folowed.

They also evidently have no understanding that the fall of the West--as much as they may dispise it--would be followed by the rise of something far worse, even than their jaded vision of Western Civilization, ignominious as it undoubtedly must be.

16 posted on 10/30/2005 3:08:43 AM PST by Savage Beast (The internet is the newspaper of record.)
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To: snoringbear

You forgot sanitation. The romans had good sewage systems and organized garbage pickup. Also, they had good public water systems.


17 posted on 10/30/2005 3:09:59 AM PST by LibKill (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Cincinatus
Western Civilization, along with Christianity, evolved from the far less enlightened Greece and Rome into the greatest collection of wisdom the world has ever known.

It is a priceless gift to the world.

It must be preserved, cherished, and encouraged to florish.

18 posted on 10/30/2005 3:12:49 AM PST by Savage Beast (The internet is the newspaper of record.)
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To: nickcarraway

Nobody has mentioned the Roman Military and the concept of the Fighting Engineers.

Our military practically rebuilds a country as we go, much the same as the Romans did.

Although Ike admired the German Autobahns, the idea of military roads was entirely Roman. So Ike built our Interstate highway system. Look on th U.S. map and you can see that every I-state connects military bases.


19 posted on 10/30/2005 3:13:03 AM PST by Lokibob (Spelling and typos are copyrighted. Please do not use.)
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To: nickcarraway
The vomitorium has little to do with Rome as it would have been a fixture in the life of only a very small segment of Romans – roughly equivalent to the percentage of Americans who gorge themselves on six course dinners that include such delicacies as foie gras.
Of more importance would be Roman contributions to the military – standardized training and equipment, unit sizes, flexible chain of command, the necessary bureaucracy etc. Lets not forget engineering – the true arch, concrete, hydraulics. The list of positive contributions is nearly endless.
20 posted on 10/30/2005 3:13:05 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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