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Bad Blood Exists Between White House, CIA
Yahoo ^ | 10/29/05 | AP

Posted on 10/29/2005 2:06:03 PM PDT by advance_copy

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To: Matchett-PI

Why not FAX that to Senator Roberts and to Congressman Duncan Hunter? Thanks in advance....


101 posted on 10/29/2005 4:52:58 PM PDT by ptrey ((I BELIEVE CONGRESSMAN WELDON!))
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To: Southack
Keep in mind that career politicans are players just like baseball players are players. Fans have great loyalty for a team. Indian fans don't root for the Yankees.

But if a Indian player gets traded to the Yankees he will play his heart out for the Yankees and do his best to defeat the Indians. And if he gets traded back to the Indians he will do his best to defeat the Yankees.

Most people in politics are players. Ask Dick Morris how this works. Morris did a fantastic job electing Jesse Helms, Trent Lott and Bill Clinton. The fact that Morris had worked for Helms did not mean he was disloyal when he worked for Clinton. Not until Clinton fired him.. he wasn't.

Players will play for any team that will put them in a major league game. Nearly all politicians will too. Bush 41 and Clinton are both players. That is why they can now be buddies. It is the way the world works.

You think like a fan. You will never understand what is actually taking place until you learn to think like a player.

102 posted on 10/29/2005 4:57:28 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: rip033

"This isn't about politics it's about money and corruption."

I agree with you. There were a lot of people who probably didn't want to see the Iraq gravy train derailed. I think that's fundamental to understanding the World-wide pre-war situation.


103 posted on 10/29/2005 5:00:08 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: Common Tator

Some players throw games. See the "dirty sox" of 1917, for instance.

104 posted on 10/29/2005 5:02:27 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: MNJohnnie
I'm curious. Do you consider this a Bush-bash by virtue of what's being said, or how it's being said? Or maybe both? I am not trying to start an argument or a flame-fest, but it seems to me President Bush erred when he came to Washington with the idea that if he would be nice to 'them', they would be nice to him. So many of the forest fires he has had to deal with since coming into office have been the direct result of people he had every right to dismiss and fill their jobs with those he knew and trusted.

I am a Bush supporter, but I sure wish he had done more to clean house when he moved in.

Maybe I'm just a Pollyanna or way to much an optimist, but it's my considered opinion that this whole LeakGate thing will be much like the month of March, come in like a lion, go out as a lamb.

If Libby was foolish enough to have lied when the truth would have served him, and us, better, then I for one am just as happy he's gone.

It would not surprise me one bit for this euphoria the Left is enjoying right now turns out to be short-lived and bittersweet!
105 posted on 10/29/2005 5:08:27 PM PDT by jwpjr
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To: GBA; Southack; sirchtruth; MNJohnnie
"Whoa...Clinton smarter? More devious? Sure. ... Bush is constrained by morality and rule of law,..."

There is nothing illegal, nor immoral, about firing the political appointees of your opponent.

It is the easiest and most effective means of changing the nature of political institutions to share your own political vision.

It is extremely foolish not to do so because you are left with a cadre of embedded opponents who will do everything within their power to make Bush policies ineffective, and make Bush look foolish or even set Bush up with legal liabilities if at all possible.

The CIA is institutionally hostile to Bush. That needn't have been so.

The State department is institutionally hostile to Bush. That needn't have been so.

The Attorney general's office and the FBI are institutionally hostile to Bush.

The government is run by these people. It is not run by President Bush.

106 posted on 10/29/2005 5:11:38 PM PDT by Mark Felton ("Your faith should not be in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.")
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To: Common Tator

Good point. Few Boxing fans realize how much the two fighters in the ring generally appreciate each other and how much they depise the spectators.


107 posted on 10/29/2005 5:11:43 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: Dorian

If you think Valerie and her clique at the CIA are such a stellar group, please see if you can get her to answer my questions:

Why did the CIA provide intelligence to the previous administration about WMDs in Iraq and then this rogue group suddenly disown all that intelligence from the 1990s?

If Iraq was no threat, then why did my son deploy seven times into harms way from 1997-2001 to protect the no-fly zone?

If Saddam wasn't a threat, then why did we require our military going to the no-fly zones to take anthrax injections or face serious consequences? (we lost a lot of good people who weren't willing to get those experimental vaccines, remember Cohen getting one to "prove" they were safe?)

and finally,
With Saddam's Iraq in the center of the Middle East defying 17 UN resolutions to disarm, with us in a war on terror.....and the no-fly airports in Saudi and Turkey no longer available to us, Tell me Valerie, your intelligence suddenly thinks we should just let him ferment there because of your one stinking report? I don't think so!


108 posted on 10/29/2005 5:22:07 PM PDT by chgomac
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To: independentmind

re: "fair game"

Joe Wilson made his wife part of the story the moment he began spouting off to the press. Why? Because, as the Senate Intel Committee's report affirmed (against Joe Wilson's lies), she played an instrumental role in suggesting him for the Niger mission and then arranging the meeting which launched his mission. When trying to understand the grand implausibility of this whole story, of how a Bush-hating, Gore and Kerry loving nitwit like Joe Wilson had ever been put into such a sensitive 'mission' in the first place (which has appeared more and more like a set-up by current and former CIA people determined to war with the WH) Valerie Pflame plays a central role. "Fair game" can connote different things to different people - a milder interpretation is that she is fair game for journalists to try to write about her, given that she played a critical role in putting this whole sordid story in motion. A harsher view would be that she should be subject to harsh criticism and political attacks, which is also justifiable given that she is part of a cabal working to subvert the elected government of the United States. However, given that all of the public-record statements are from her pompous blowhard of a husband, he should be the main focus of attention. Still, it will always be relevant to ask "what did Valerie know and do, and when did she know it and do it?"


109 posted on 10/29/2005 5:25:53 PM PDT by Enchante (Joe Wilson: "Don't indict me, I'm just the depraved liar that started this thing.....")
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To: independentmind
Veronica Plame is totally out of the guy in the pic's league.

Some people are seriously delusional. I realize that bureaucrats eventually believe themselves to be in a different social category, but whether that category is superior or inferior to the normal person's is open to debate.

I agree with the statement, but perhaps not in the way intended.

Does anyone else remember the (privileged) long-term congressman nutcase who used to steal airline food? He thought he was special too. I wouldn't want him visiting my dog's doghouse.

110 posted on 10/29/2005 5:27:35 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: Cicero
Please don't forget to mention Collin Powell who failed to make the corrections at state they so desperately needed to be made.
111 posted on 10/29/2005 5:28:09 PM PDT by kublia khan (Absolute war brings total victory)
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To: independentmind
Only in the increasingly insular FR community, could he get away with such a stunt without being mercilessly abused.

By whom, pray tell? By those who consider themselves in the "same league" as the manipulative wife?
She placed herself (by all accounts) in the middle of the future mudfight.

112 posted on 10/29/2005 5:30:54 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: rip033

Lots to think about there.


113 posted on 10/29/2005 5:31:36 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: Grampa Dave

Heh heh heh. So where's the guy's hammer. heh heh heh.


114 posted on 10/29/2005 5:31:45 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Mark Felton

I agree with your diagnosis of the situation, but I think that there are relatively few "political appointee" positions at the top of each department. Then there are all sorts of career civil service positions which are called "Senior Executive Service" as I recall.

Perhaps Bush could have replaced more people, but I think the vast majority of federal civilian positions are subject to the strictures of civil service regulations. Career people who go into State and CIA in recent decades must be predominantly liberal to begin with - I've known several who were/are ultra-liberal, and I've never known a single conservative to express much interest in a career with State (though some in CIA). It's a very intractable problem....


115 posted on 10/29/2005 5:32:28 PM PDT by Enchante (Joe Wilson: "Don't indict me, I'm just the depraved liar that started this thing.....")
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To: independentmind
By all means, let's find out where the fake Niger documents came from.
That will tell us all much.

Didn't an Italian operative confess last week to doing it at the behest of the French? Hell, the French may have actually provided him with the fake documents, since they control the mine in question.

116 posted on 10/29/2005 5:34:20 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: Mark Felton

alot, if not most,of these people inside the structure are career people - not political appointees. they have to be rooted out systematically.


117 posted on 10/29/2005 5:38:11 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Publius6961

Absolutely. We should find out who was playing games with these forged documents.


118 posted on 10/29/2005 5:45:17 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: advance_copy

Looks like the CIA is an arm of the Democratic Socialist Party


119 posted on 10/29/2005 5:50:10 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: Mark Felton
I don't know if he was smarter b, but his management style was far different. Clinton was a micro-manager, obviously given his record on his agenda at times he was so busy pushing the buttons that at times he forgot to watch the instruments. Bush on the other hand is a big picture leader, he sets the vision and expects the people who are in his supporting cast ( many of whom are indeed smarter than he is in their given area of expertise, certainly that is to his credit not to his detriment) to get it done. Bush is very good at this, once he sets the vision he doesn't waiver or shift the goal post which is common with leaders in high profile positions.
120 posted on 10/29/2005 5:50:13 PM PDT by kublia khan (Absolute war brings total victory)
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