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To: Non-Sequitur
If U.S. programmers are doing nothing but screwing their employers by expecting the prevailing wage then how badly are you screwing your employer?

That is incorrect: they attempt to screw --- not only the the employer but the rest of us, too, for we pay the inflated salaries through higher prices --- by demanding a salary that is HIGHER than the prevailing wage.

LI believe that the equation is taking what you're making and subtract from that what someone else is willing to do it for.

Correct. In my case, the difference is zero. If it becomes positive, I'll be out of my job and someone else will be hired. Should this occur, the questions I'll ask, what have I failed to do to keep myself competitive? what should I do now to make myself competitive again?

That is not what most IT people do, and certainly not most posters on such thread. It's rather what employers --- always stupid, always selling out their companies and the country for bonuses, etc. --- and Bush personally have failed to do to protect those whiners, poor soles that cannot any longer make $150,000 while often not knowing how to read or communicate well.

82 posted on 10/29/2005 11:30:13 AM PDT by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark
In my case, the difference is zero.

Living in a dream world, are we? If they brought in someone with less experience or less education or from overseas who would be willing to do your job for a lot less money then aren't you, by your own definition, screwing your employer by demanding to continue receiving your current salary, a salary far in excess of the new prevailing wage?

Should this occur, the questions I'll ask, what have I failed to do to keep myself competitive? what should I do now to make myself competitive again?

The answer to that is simple. Slash your salary by 10% or 20% or 30% or whatever the new prevailing wage is. Not hard at all. In the overwhelming majority of the cases that is all that is necessary.

That is not what most IT people do, and certainly not most posters on such thread.

I've seen outsourcing up close. In the overwhelming majority of the cases the company laid off well trained, capable, competent, motivated programmers and analysts and replaced them with IBM assets who were no more motivated, no more competent, no better trained or capable but who were paid a lot less. That was the only difference I could see and the only thing that mattered. And the IBM assets were difficult to communicate in many instances and did not know the business or the systems. But since that knowledge base is hard to put a price on it didn't factor into the equation. I left that company on my own, and much to my amusement the company in question (and their outsourcing partner) have listing after listing in Hotjobs.com that they can't fill because they can't find people interesting in working there. At any price.

...to protect those whiners, poor soles that cannot any longer make $150,000 while often not knowing how to read or communicate well.

Isn't stereotyping fun?

101 posted on 10/29/2005 3:20:10 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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