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To: sure_fine
H1B visas are supposed to only be issued when a US Citizen can not fill that role. This program was intended to help employers out with shortages, not allow them to pay below market rates! My point is that it's not just the blue collar jobs that are not available to US Citizens,companies are screwing the US and hiring foreigners at artificially low wages
5 posted on 10/29/2005 7:32:33 AM PDT by vrwc0915 (I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against al)
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To: vrwc0915
H1B applications are public documents by definition. The employer must post, publicly, their intentions to sponsor an applicant for a specific position (listing the salary) and accept applications from US citizens for the same job.

Once the posting period is complete, the employer must attest that absolutely NO qualified US citizens applied for the job. In the event a US citizen applied (qualified or not), the applicant's name and rationale for refusal must be submitted with the LCA.

Given this very public process, I find it astonishing that there are no stories of specific neglect or discrimination against US applicants. Comparing wage reports can be an interesting exercise, but a more compelling argument against the H1B would include the names and faces of those wronged. It is not enough to claim that US citizens can do the work theoretically.

8 posted on 10/29/2005 7:38:35 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: vrwc0915

as a business owner, would you hire someone totally unqualified for a position that you had no time to train someone for?


but really, my 'so?' remark was that I couldn't care less if they paid them 1/5 of what was going rate and made them sleep outside, I am fed up with immigration and immigrants


21 posted on 10/29/2005 7:58:46 AM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: vrwc0915

The way you can identify the jobs that are going to H1B visa holders is the way the jobs are advertised. The federal law requires that you post the hours of employment in the ad. So what you see typically is a job description which is essentially so specific it is a fingerprint of Hadji - the H1B holder they really want to hire, then it lists a salary (let's say $90,000/year) and then hours M-F 9-5. That's the giveaway that it is an ad merely meeting the requirement that the employer advertise for some period and then fail to come up with a U.S. citizen meeting the job requirements. Another giveaway - it's in the smallest type font available in whatever publication it is located.


36 posted on 10/29/2005 8:45:49 AM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: vrwc0915
companies are screwing the US and hiring foreigners at artificially low wages

Suppose that is true. How do you know that are "companies are screwing the US" employees? Perhaps, it is the other way around --- the U.S. employees are trying to screw the rest of us (companies) by demanding wages that are not worth their keep? Outsourcing prevents them from doing so.

As for H1-B, it's kind of tiring to hear programmers' whining that they, with barely any education, cannot make $150,000/year any more. Great many H1-B visas go to college and university faculty. Go count how many American-born faculty are professors in major universities. Then ask yourself, why? The check how well Americans read and write in their native language, how many of them have even basic quantitative skills, how many have even basic awareness of different times and countries. The truth is, Americans don't want to do this hard work as they used to; they do not want to become professors of mathematics, engineering and business administration. Foreigners do. They get H1-B visas.

48 posted on 10/29/2005 9:21:51 AM PDT by TopQuark
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To: vrwc0915

> This program was intended to help employers out with shortages, not allow them to pay below market rates!

Contract openings are up in the last year, but they are trying to hold the rates to 2002 levels. This is how they establish the phony shortage! It is so obvious now.


143 posted on 11/07/2005 9:52:18 AM PST by old-ager
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