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To: TopQuark; cynicom; Jeff Head; Travis McGee; GOP_1900AD; Alamo-Girl; navyvet; kattracks; ...
This statement implies that Bush must intervene in labor markets --- to prevent "driving down wages" of skilled workers.

B'zzzt! Incorrect.

Cynicom appears to be making the straighforward claim that Bush is already intervening in the labor markets...and on the side of those employers who wish to game the market. It is a pointed questioning of the orientation of the President. Whose side is he on?

Your presentation makes it clear that your bias is presumptively for employers, irregardless of the legality of what they are doing. Every single H-1B visa they sign off on they are making an affidavit that the hire will not be at less than the prevailing wage. They are lying en masse and the administration is doing nothing to enforce the law. Just like illegal immigration.

Hence, it is an affirmative act of negligence on the Administrations part. An express INTERVENTION in the "market" which is supposed to be governed by those immigration rules already set down in well-established and long-standing LAW. Deliberate, willful, malfeasance.

The administration honchos have probably made some sort of politcal "triangulation" assumption that ALL these folks will vote disproportionately GOP. Or that the campaign money from the benefited special interest group makes it all worth it. NOT! As the illegals have shown, it 'ain't happening, McGee!' Anyways, it is never appropriate to compromise core principals for temporary political expediency. Reagan never did. He never wavered on what he believed and espoused...no matter what tactical compromises for a specific bill were deemed necessary. Bush has rather contrarily, done quite a number of flips and flops trying to sound conservative, while governing as a liberal. [Not a single veto to date!] And then when he has done his compromise, he calls it a "good bill" and CASTIGATES conservative criticism with liberal invective. [ Short list: "uneducated" "glass-ceiling-enforcers" "miserly" "sexist" "anti-immigrant" "vigilantes", etc., etc. ]. He appears to compromise his principles on an ad hoc basis, not just his tactics.

That's what they call "moderation" in his camp nowadays, I guess.

He has so befouled his own nest with his scheming machiavellian political manipulations...always sliding further down to the Left...not to mention an unseemly amount of croneyism... that the core of the solidly conservative pundits, such as Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham, and Bill Bennet etc....while trying to "stay onboard" have made questioning comparisons openly between him and such abysmal political failures as Richard M. Nixon and Warren G. Harding.

Anyways, all that being said, as a general prefatory commentary on the political mistakeness of your ideas...(as embodied in GW Bush policies)...that is not the end of the problems your position entails for us. There is clearly one directly-implicated issue you manifestly have not considered. National Security. And even if you did, it seems likely your employer bias would overwhelm any such appraisal.

Perhaps you didn't catch this little item?

Four Held in U.S. Over China Military Plot: Report
By AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE, HONG KONG, November 5th, 2005

FBI agents in Los Angeles have arrested four people with ties to Hong Kong for allegedly trying to smuggle sensitive material on U.S. military technology to mainland China, a press report said Nov. 4.

The material included research into silent propulsion systems for U.S. warships, a technology that is banned from export to China, the South China Morning Post reported, citing an FBI affidavit.

The four, all ethnic Chinese, allegedly planned to steal secrets from a defense contractor where one of them worked and transport the information to the southern Chinese city of Guangzhou on encrypted CDs, the newspaper said.

One of the four, Mak Tai-wing, and his wife were arrested at Los Angeles International Airport last Friday night as they were about to board a Cathay Pacific flight leaving for Hong Kong around midnight.

The two others, Mak’s brother Mak Chi, and his wife, Rebecca Chiu Lai-wah, were arrested at their home, the paper said.

A spokeswoman at Hong Kong’s Security Bureau declined to comment while the department was checking on the report.

The paper said an FBI affidavit states that Mak Tai-wing, a permanent U.S. resident, is the broadcast and engineering director for Phoenix North American Chinese Channel, which broadcasts programmes in the United States.

Phoenix television is headquartered in Hong Kong.

The newspaper said Mak Chi is a lead project engineer at a defense contractor, Power Paragon, on a research project involving Quiet Electric Drive (QED) technology for use aboard U.S. Navy warships.

"QED is an extremely sensitive project," the FBI was quoted as saying. The U.S. navy considers it "significant military equipment" and the U.S. bans its export to most countries.

The FBI also alleges Chi was planning to smuggle other secrets to China and that they found in his home shredded documents printed in Chinese, one of which instructed Chi to gain information on a number of military technologies including space-based military systems, the paper said.

Mak Chi was ordered held without bond. Li Fuk-heung was scheduled to appear in court at a bail hearing Thursday evening, and Mak and Chiu are scheduled for bond hearings on Saturday.

If convicted, each of the four could face prison terms of up to 10 years plus fines, the paper said.

COMMENT: This QED and the DDX is an important part of the next generation weaponry for the next century. And China intends to be the dominant military power. No ifs and no buts.

The DDX program just dodged one bullet in China's proactive efforts to preemptively neutralize the mutiple tactical technology advantages the new super-destroyer offers...before it is ever launched. But so long as we continue to allow Chinese Nationals into our tech firms...and to remain there, (the guy was likely originally an H-1B immigrant)... this is a losing battle. Their strategy is to "flood the zone" with numerous "students" and "willing employees" for "willing employers".

165 posted on 11/07/2005 1:41:41 PM PST by Paul Ross ("The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the govt and I'm here to help)
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To: Paul Ross
Every single H-1B visa they sign off on they are making an affidavit that the hire will not be at less than the prevailing wage.

You are misinformed.

I have previously given an example of a large pool of these visas: faculty at major universities. When the best are being sought, foreigners are often the ones. Moreover, the native-born Americans indeed do not want to do this job and go through hardships to get them,.

Moreover, you assume that it is easy to apply for H1-B visa. It is not, and both wait and bureaucracy are involved. It is simply not worth it to save $10,000-$20,000/year on a programmer from oversees.

They are lying en masse Since you have no evidence for your blanker accusation, I can only assume that you are judging but what YOU would do in a similar situation. When I hired people, I certainly did not and never would circumvent the law. Would you? Judging by how easily you accuse thousands of people, you probably would.

180 posted on 11/07/2005 6:50:54 PM PST by TopQuark
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