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To: nyconse
I have read more than once that about 40% of Americans have no insurance.

I understand that; we hear a great deal of misinformation from the media.

If you check out jobs, you will see many do not offer health care. That is very true, especially to part-time employees.

I work for a small company that offers no health insurance. My husband works for GM (management); he has health care so far.

So you DO have insurance: your husband's insurance covers you, doesn't it?

I know a great deal about globalism and American business because my husband works for an GM...makes cars. It's like saying, "I know a great deal about physics of combustion, which makes the car move, because I drive a lot."

You don't under To understand physics of combustion by driving. Similarly, you don't understand globalization by making cars or anything else. What we see in our daily lives are results of many factors, including globalization. That does not make us understand what those factors are and which of them causes what we observe.

What you see is that our workers are not as competitive globally as they were before. How do you know that this is caused by "globalization" (which is by the way is not new)? You don't. It may be caused by the fact that our workers are not as educated as they were before; it may be caused by the fact they are overpaid; it may be caused by lower work ethics; etc.

The reason socialism has failed to take root in the US is the strong middle class.

No. There was a strong middle class in Germany, and that middle class overwhelmingly voted for socialists in 1933 --- Nazis (the National Socialist Workers Party) led by Hitler. There is a large middle class now in Germany, France and Britain, but all of Europe is now socialist.

If enough people are thrown out of work, they will vote for national health care, greater welfare benefits etc. I agree: socialists always exploited ignorance. That is not the question. The question is, why are YOU, a conservative that participates on this board, are among them? Why do YOU believe that garbage.

The only way one can stay competitive --- in ANY economy, whether socialist or capitalist --- is by being worth his/her keep. You achieve that in two ways: by making yourself better and thus producing more, or getting paid less. THere are not miracles that socialists can invent here; they cannot change these facts.

Health care is just like food and other necessities: each of us is responsible for our own. The problem with present-day America is that socialism has already won: most people believe that someone else is responsible for their health care. Company owners (other Americans) or the government (via taxes paid by other Americans) must provide it for you and, moreover, in an unlimited quantity: as long as you are alive but ill, you are entitled to be in a hospital.

Why stop here? Why not extend that to housing and food and everything else we desire.

Other Americans are not responsible for my health: I am. I must pay for health care just as I do for food, out of my own pocket. That is how America always functioned.

But not any longer: everyone wants others to pay for their health. If all Americans were insured, where would the money come from, grow on trees? It is still our money; socialists cannot create it.

It will be the Republicans own fault. Well, as I said, you advocate socialism and blame Republicans for not being socialist enough.

It is people like you that bring socialists to power.

If you want to vote for the fascists, go ahead. Just don't blame others for the consequences.

y encourage unfair trade practices,

No they don't: they encourage competition. They don't do enough, perhaps, to ensure that trade is fair but they certainly don't encourage unfair trade. It is you who does that.

want to grant amnesty to illegals That is indeed an atrocity, and I am really furious about that. But this has nothing to do with "globalism," if by that we mean unobstructed international trade in goods and services.

and want guest workers allowed in (take jobs away from Americans).

That too is socialist, anti-corporate propaganda. The population of our country is dying: it has been decreasing since 1970. It's hard for you to believe, but there are indeed fewer people to do the jobs that we, Americans, want to be done.

I saw this during my stint with unemployment last years. I did security work in order to make a few dollars. American workers at Sprint in Marietta were laid off and the next thing you knew, Indian workers replaced them (guest workers).

Firstly, I am sorry to hear that you were down on luck for a few years and very much hope and wish that things will improve for you.

But, aside from personal issues, how are you different from guest workers, then? If I want $20,000 a year and someone can hire another for $15,000, what entitles me to $20,000? I should be paid that just because I want so?

We are more expensive than guest workers because we demand more but produce as much: we demand more health care and other benefits, as well as higher wages.

Like most socialists, you think that the company or the government simply go to the basement to get the money. They do not: they get the money for the goods you produce. If you don't produce more, where are they going to get the money to pay you more?

Corporate greed will usher in a new era of socialism.

Spoken by a true socialist. Does it occur to you that your husband and you are capitalists? He probably has a pension plan --- where do you think that money is being kept? Stocks and bonds. He owns several American and foreign corporations. Where do most retirees --- teachers, bus drivers, janitors --- keep their money? In stocks and bonds. What is corporate "greed," then, the desire to pay interest on those people's investments?

Like all socialists, you do not see real owners of the corporations behind the "bogey man" corporation.

You are a complete socialist, inside and out, seething with anger and ready for a revolt.

The question I have is, what are you doing on this board? There is does not seem to be a conservative bone in your body.

125 posted on 10/30/2005 12:28:49 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark

> You are a complete socialist, inside and out, seething with anger and ready for a revolt.

You know, TQ, you don't have to be a socialist to be ready to revolt. Some of us are tired of "conservative" politicians who carry water for one-world globalists.


154 posted on 11/07/2005 10:14:05 AM PST by old-ager
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