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To: TopQuark

"The fact is, more than 13,000 Conversos were tried in 1480-1492, and 25 burned at the stake from 1486 to 1492 in Toledo alone. The rest of them were "not touched."

No converso could say, "Yes, I'm a Jew. Everbody knows it, and I've never pretended to be anything else." Conversos had publicly accepted conversion; thus, the term "converso."

"Thank G-d you are not a Catholic."

Oh, but I am a Catholic. However, I am not one of those Catholics who is so wracked by liberal guilt that he will accept any wild slander that anyone levels against the Church.


99 posted on 10/31/2005 8:09:29 PM PST by dsc
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To: dsc
Conversos had publicly accepted conversion; thus, the term "converso."

They had publicly accepted conversion because the alternative to publicly accepting conversion was either death or exile. I'm not sure how you can say that's not a conversion given under duress.

If you hold a gun to my kid's head and ask me to swear allegiance to Osama bin Laden, I certainly will, but don't expect that oath to be worth anything.

106 posted on 10/31/2005 8:46:35 PM PST by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: dsc
TQ: The fact is, more than 13,000 Conversos were tried in 1480-1492, and 25 burned at the stake from 1486 to 1492 in Toledo alone. The rest of them were "not touched."

DSC: No converso could say, "Yes, I'm a Jew. Everbody knows it, and I've never pretended to be anything else." Conversos had publicly accepted conversion; thus, the term "converso."

Oh, and if he said that, he could just go home and continue to live in peace with his family? People were burned at the stake not for being Jews but for lying?

And stop promulgating this "distinction" between the Church and the State. If expulsion of Jews form Spain, from Britain, from France was such an non-Christian act, why was it not stopped by the Church? Name one edict by the Church that merely called it abomination, all this persecution. The Church spoke about everything else, but, despite of urging to love even enemies, it never once condemned even killing of fellow countrymen; never once excommunicated a person that dit that.

Expulsion of Jews from the Papal States --- was that the act of the Church or the state?

Ah, it's all because I believe in the "myths," I see.

You are a run-of-the-miill apologist, and not very good at that.

109 posted on 10/31/2005 9:09:30 PM PST by TopQuark
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