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How the conservatives crumble
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| 10/28/5
| Rod Dreher
Posted on 10/28/2005 3:55:27 PM PDT by Crackingham
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To: Crackingham
Dreher has taken on a very nose-in-the-air tone in the last year or so. Tiresome.
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posted on
10/28/2005 3:59:42 PM PDT
by
Tax-chick
("Neither the depth of despondency nor the height of euphoria tells you how long either will last. ")
To: Crackingham
Social Security Reform on the table. Firmly grasped the 3 rail and made reform finally political possible. I know the bone heads calling themselves "true Conservatives" don't understand how important getting the Feds LARGEST spending program on the block. Sorry Bush and the Republicans are NOT 100%ers. Sorry you don't get your way on EVERY issue. NO ONE DOES. This constant whining that the glass is not full to the top is NOT the behavior of Adult minds. It is spoiled brat behavior
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posted on
10/28/2005 4:00:19 PM PDT
by
MNJohnnie
(I'll try to be NICER, if you will try to be SMARTER!.......Water Buckets UP!)
To: Crackingham
Crumble? No.
Rumble? Yes.
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posted on
10/28/2005 4:01:28 PM PDT
by
msnimje
(Join the "Coalition of the SHILLING" -- become a shill for J. Michael Luttig for SCOTUS)
To: MNJohnnie
Sorry you don't get your way on EVERY issue.Absolutely! We have too many on our side that are ALL OR NOTHING conservatives. That is, if our elected leaders compromise or don't deliver everything we want in one term, some on our side are ready to walk away.
I think this comes from those new to conservatism that do not understand that politics must be played for the long-term and must be played forever. Conservatism's gains over the past 30 years came from good candidates educating the electorate about why we believe what we believe. It is why we want a fight for the Supreme Court, to continue that education.
The liberals did not get their way overnight. They used incrementalism. We must be mindful that quick solutions are not the answer, but slow, deliberate continuous change.
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posted on
10/28/2005 4:06:35 PM PDT
by
Erik Latranyi
(9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
To: msnimje
He does make some good points, though. Seriously, if Bush shuts down the border and appoints a Janice Rodgers Brown, his approval rating is going to be taking a big upswing.
Honestly, the border issue would pull a lot of moderates into the Republican camp. I'm still not sure how it's viewed by the Latino population in this country, but that really shouldn't be the first concern.
To: Tax-chick
Dreher has taken on a very nose-in-the-air tone in the last year or so. Tiresome.Perhaps, but there are valid points to be made.
I tend to think conservatives tend to be more honest in our assessments and critique of our own party. That is a strength, not a weakness.
While I support the President, two examples I'll give are the increased spending and the illegal immigrant issue. He is wrong on these, in my opinion.
To: Erik Latranyi
Incrementalism? Was that what the 60s were?
But I agree with you. It just amazes me how dreadfully that decade messed up so many aspects of our lives that are still lingering today.
To: He Rides A White Horse
I disagree with President Bush on some major points, too, including the ones you mention. I was just commenting on the journalistic qualities, which, in my opinion, have come to obscure the value of just about anything Mr. Dreher has to say.
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posted on
10/28/2005 4:12:04 PM PDT
by
Tax-chick
("Neither the depth of despondency nor the height of euphoria tells you how long either will last. ")
To: Tax-chick
To: Crackingham
This is so overwrought.
Come back down to earth, Roddy Boy.
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posted on
10/28/2005 4:15:05 PM PDT
by
Palladin
(America! America! God shed His grace on Thee.)
To: Crackingham
The "Katrina debacle"? Does the press just follow each other by the nose? What debacle? In every other major disaster the press NEVER whines about FEMA knowing what their real job is (passing out stuff) and that you can't get into areas immediately due to conditions.
But all of a sudden they have New Orleans to use and portray Bush as a racists and incompetent while they conveniently ignore the efforts in Mississippi and Alabama. And if the Bush administration can't govern and FEMA is so horrible and unresponsive then why aren't we getting the same stories out of Florida?
I'm getting so sick and tired of "conventional wisdom" that is neither and usually a big lie.
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posted on
10/28/2005 4:15:45 PM PDT
by
Fledermaus
(For years Rush has said the left would really go off the deep end once out of power. He was right!)
To: msnimje
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posted on
10/28/2005 4:28:01 PM PDT
by
JesseJane
(Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country. (More than a typing exercise))
To: Crackingham
Bush needs conservatives a lot more than conservatives need him. Wake up, GW. The coffee's brewed, and it's strong, hot and black.
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posted on
10/28/2005 4:35:14 PM PDT
by
Map Kernow
("I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
To: Fledermaus
"I'm getting so sick and tired of "conventional wisdom" that is neither and usually a big lie."
I'm beyond sick and tired, I'm angry as HELL!! I'm angry that W and the pubs REFUSE to fight, I'm angry as HELL that W took the blame upon himself for Katrina, I'm angry at our Prez for always playing nice and patty cakes with the filthy dirty lying scumbag RATS, I'm angry that W didn't nominate J. Brown from the beginning, I'm angry that the pubs at the hill never developed walnuts to go NUCLEAR, I'm angry at W for appointing that FREAKAZOID Fitz! Did he actually think this RAT was going to play fair? GIVE ME A FREAKIN BREAK!! I'm usually a calm sensible person, but everyone has a breaking point and I've just reached mine! Need another glass of wine...:)
To: CheyennePress
He does make some good points, though. Seriously, if Bush shuts down the border and appoints a Janice Rodgers Brown, his approval rating is going to be taking a big upswing. His approval rating is directly related to the price of gasoline and the job market.
Eighty percent of the voters don't know a single name of member of the surpreme court. They can tell you the price of gasoline and what their job prospects are. People who are concerned with issues always thing most people are. only a handful care about any of the issues that don't directly effect their lives. Prices, jobs and earnings are what determine presidential approval ratings.
If the price of gasoline drops Bush's approval rating will rise.. if the economy stays good his approval rating will rise.
It's the economy, Stupid!!! It always is.
To: Erik Latranyi
You know something? What the Miers incident proved is that compromise gets you nothing. We compromised and compromised as George W. Bush morphed into Lyndon Johnson. Then we took a stand, and all of a sudden, not only will we get what we want in a new nominee, but there are also spending reductions and border control measures being advanced.
Being an ALL OR NOTHING conservative works. Being a compromising "compassionate conservative" is little different from simply agreeing with the liberals.
When I see some compromise on the other side of the aisle then this policy might be worth revisiting. Until then it is imperative that we produce at least as much pressure from the right as the Left does with its 24/7 attack machine, or the Left will get its way.
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posted on
10/28/2005 4:43:33 PM PDT
by
thoughtomator
(Ninety-nine Republican Arlen Specters aren’t worth one Democratic Zell Miller)
To: Crackingham
The author appears to have equated conservatism with the desire to support the president. The two are not the same. If there is a "crisis" it is with the Bush administration's clumsy governance of late, and not within conservatism. Whoever "Dreher" is, he needs to get out more.
To: Tax-chick
Dreher has taken on a very nose-in-the-air tone in the last year or so. Tiresome.His nose may be in the air, but his feet are firmly planted on reality (unlike some "conservatives").
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posted on
10/28/2005 4:50:51 PM PDT
by
A2J
(Love Jesus...hate "church.")
To: A2J
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posted on
10/28/2005 4:52:09 PM PDT
by
Tax-chick
("Neither the depth of despondency nor the height of euphoria tells you how long either will last. ")
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