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To: gondramB

Yes, science can report observations and patterns of observations. But, science can't explain "why" or even as much as Genesis 1:1 explains.

The problem with "Science" - what many in the US have been hostile to for more than a hundred years is the representation of science as omnipotent and omniscient. And of course "science" is neither. *Scientists* most certainly are neither.

As long as those who work in science and would teach the patterns they find in science anthropomorphize "Science" as all knowing, all powerful and not to be questioned- or when legitimate seekers of pattern allow the media to do so, as in this article - then no one should be surprised that there is "hostility."


145 posted on 10/29/2005 8:20:30 AM PDT by hocndoc ( http://www.lifeethics.org Vote For Proposition 2 Nov 8 Defend law, not just marriage.)
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To: hocndoc

"The problem with "Science" - what many in the US have been hostile to for more than a hundred years is the representation of science as omnipotent and omniscient. And of course "science" is neither. *Scientists* most certainly are neither."

Part of the problems is that they generally are not real, serious scientists with good educations saying those things... That's why I asked Rightwingprofessor about his credentials - he is making all encompassing statements about physics that are hostile (illogically so) to the existence of something unknown.

I've had the opportunity to discuss this topic in person with numerous physicists at Cal Tech, JPL , MIT, Georgia Tech and GTRI and I've never heard a reputable physicist claim that they have the universe all figured out and that God is excluded and the universe is deterministic. I've been asked many times how I reconcile my beliefs as a Christian with my education as a physicist and once I've explained I've never had a hostile reaction the way I am getting on this board.

It's almost as if non-scientists (and no doubt a few close minded scientists that I just have not met) are using science not for science's sake but to advance their attacks on other's beliefs.

That is every bit as wrong as the people who want to mandate teaching ID in high school but it is not, in my experience representative of actual scientists.


147 posted on 10/29/2005 8:31:12 AM PDT by gondramB
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