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The Worst Jobs in Science No.3- Kansas Biology Teacher
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Posted on 10/28/2005 2:36:03 PM PDT by scientificbeliever

3. Kansas Biology Teacher On the front lines of science's devolution "The evolution debate is consuming almost everything we do," says Brad Williamson, a 30-year science veteran at suburban Olathe East High School and a past president of the National Association of Biology Teachers. "It's politicized the classroom. Parents will say their child can't be in class during any discussion of evolution, and students will say things like 'My grandfather wasn't a monkey!'"

First, a history lesson. In 1999 a group of religious fundamentalists won election to the Kansas State Board of Education and tried to introduce creationism into the state's classrooms. They wanted to delete references to radiocarbon dating, continental drift and the fossil record from the education standards. In 2001 more-temperate forces prevailed in elections, but the anti-evolutionists garnered a 6-4 majority again last November. This year Intelligent Design (ID) theory is their anti-evolution tool of choice.

At the heart of ID is the idea that certain elements of the natural world—the human eye, say—are "irreducibly complex" and have not and cannot be explained by evolutionary theory. Therefore, IDers say, they must be the work of an intelligent designer (that is, God).

The problem for teachers is that ID can't be tested using the scientific method, the system of making, testing and retesting hypotheses that is the bedrock of science. That's because underpinning ID is religious belief. In science class, Williamson says, "students have to trust that I'm just dealing with science."

Alas, for Kansas's educational reputation, the damage may be done. "We've heard anecdotally that our students are getting much more scrutiny at places like medical schools. I get calls from teachers in other states who say things like 'You rubes!'" Williamson says. "But this is happening across the country. It's not just Kansas anymore."

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To: Dimensio
I keep trying to tell them, "Real science says it's 'Goo to you via the zoo,' not 'Rocks to you via the zoo!'"

(Note to creationists: that was sarcasm.)

261 posted on 10/31/2005 6:10:05 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: RightWingNilla; rwfromkansas
LOL. I want Intelligent Drift Theory taught in schools!

Laugh if you will but they actually teach the 'drift theory' within the creo circles. ($79.95 for the 3 CD set). Creationism Faqs #43 "Drift Theory". Before the flood, there was only one continent and all the animals lived within a days walk to the ark. After the flood, the animals again spread out and then the continents suddenly drifted apart. That explains how the animals got to Australia.

262 posted on 10/31/2005 6:17:20 PM PST by WildTurkey (True Creationism makes intelligent design actually seem intelligent)
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To: WildTurkey
That explains how the animals got to Australia.

The proof of that is that some animals are in Australia and nowhere else. So it works.

They have another theory that explains why there are no humans down with the trilobites. It doesn't explain the actual geologic column (why, for instance, there are no humans with the dinosaurs), but it explains what it sets out to explain.

If you have a fact that embarasses YECism, they'll add a new theory to their ever-growing catalog to explain your fact. It doesn't matter that none of their theories are consistent with each other or any fact except the specific fact they were invented to explain. I don't know why it doesn't ... but it doesn't.

263 posted on 10/31/2005 6:31:34 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Dimensio
when it comes to common descent they lie and deny the existence of the mountains of available research, hence the bogus redefinitions.

I would say there are "mountains" of denials of the fact that there's little to no evidence for "missing links". In most fields,they reasonably presume that a lack of evidence means that something has not occurred but that goes out the window when it comes to "missing links".

If one has a random pile of human and ape/chimp skulls, an evolutions presumes that the skulls which would show a pattern of evolution are "missing" even though there's no other evidence for this than the evolutionist's own fit of fancy. That is what passes for evidence among many evolutionists.

The idea that a computer requires a maker but the universe did not is an utter denial of common sense and "mountains" of evidence. This why it takes more faith to be an evolutionist than to be a creationist (of any sort).

264 posted on 10/31/2005 8:11:03 PM PST by Tamar1973 (Palestine is the cancer; Israel is the cure!)
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To: Oztrich Boy
Then you are saying it is not possible to distinguish human skulls from those of other apes.

No, what I am saying is that it is impossible to figure out which one is the "ancestor" of the other because there's no evidence that there are "links" to connect humans to apes/chimps, except in the mind of evolutionists who seem to prefer to believe that their great-great-great-great-grandpappy was a chimp.

265 posted on 10/31/2005 8:13:32 PM PST by Tamar1973 (Palestine is the cancer; Israel is the cure!)
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To: Tamar1973
I would say there are "mountains" of denials of the fact that there's little to no evidence for "missing links".

Like I said, denying the existence of evidence. Including fossil evidence. Just close the eyes and say "There are no fossils" when there are thousands of specimens, making allegations that some of the skulls are humans and some are apes, with the specific allegations regarding specific specimens varying from creationist to creationist.
266 posted on 10/31/2005 8:16:57 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio
Including fossil evidence...

The existence of fossils is NOT evidence of evolution. That evolutionists interpret them that way is simply evidence of their own anti-G-d, anti-supernatural biases.

267 posted on 10/31/2005 8:20:05 PM PST by Tamar1973 (Palestine is the cancer; Israel is the cure!)
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To: Tamar1973
That evolutionists interpret them that way is simply evidence of their own anti-G-d, anti-supernatural biases.

Dishonest equivocation of evolution with atheism noted.
268 posted on 10/31/2005 8:25:14 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio
Dishonest equivocation of evolution with atheism noted.

I have never met an atheist who believes in creationism or ID and I have never met an evolutionist who truly believes in G-d (at least the G-d in the Christian Bible) because anyone who could believe that G-d used evolution to make the world believes in a G-d that makes Allah/Islam look downright merciful.

'nuff said.

269 posted on 10/31/2005 8:29:00 PM PST by Tamar1973 (Palestine is the cancer; Israel is the cure!)
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To: Tamar1973
and I have never met an evolutionist who truly believes in G-d (at least the G-d in the Christian Bible) because anyone who could believe that G-d used evolution to make the world believes in a G-d that makes Allah/Islam look downright merciful.

How nice. You redefine "atheist" so that anyone who accepts evolution as valid science becomes one, and you use the most bizarre non-logic to do it. How utterly dishonest. Mind explaining your assertions here regarding those who accept evolution and believe in a god?
270 posted on 10/31/2005 8:31:04 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Liberal Classic
Pung is the past tense of ping? ;)

Pung is actually the diminutive of Kong.

271 posted on 10/31/2005 8:48:44 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Thatcherite
If anything is statistically unpredictable then it is beyond the capacity of science to explain it.

An ensemble of statistical unpredictable individuals may have a statistically determinist behavior.

Chaotic systems and emergent phenomena are taken to be the sum result of a myriad of individually predictable actions.

Don't you mean "individually unpredictable actions"?

272 posted on 10/31/2005 8:54:33 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: orionblamblam

All taxonomy of animals, plants, fungi, bacteria, viri, (prions?), etc. are evolutionary based.


273 posted on 10/31/2005 8:56:45 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Tamar1973
No evidence for "missing links". In most fields,they reasonably presume that a lack of evidence means that something has not occurred but that goes out the window when it comes to "missing links".

If one has a random pile of human and ape/chimp skulls, an evolutions presumes that the skulls which would show a pattern of evolution are "missing" even though there's no other evidence for this than the evolutionist's own fit of fancy. That is what passes for evidence among many evolutionists.


BTT-Truth
274 posted on 10/31/2005 9:33:39 PM PST by RunningWolf (tag line limbo)
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To: Tamar1973
The existence of fossils is NOT evidence of evolution. That evolutionists interpret them that way is simply evidence of their own anti-G-d, anti-supernatural biases.

So true
275 posted on 10/31/2005 9:34:55 PM PST by RunningWolf (tag line limbo)
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To: Dimensio; Tamar1973
Tamar1973 made an observation, not a redefinition. Maybe you cant see it, but everyone else (thats not an evo-cultist) can.

Wolf
276 posted on 10/31/2005 9:39:18 PM PST by RunningWolf (tag line limbo)
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To: Right Wing Professor
Actually, if you check the facts, that's not true.

That's not been my reading of the debate -- and I have friends in the front lines.

277 posted on 10/31/2005 11:31:28 PM PST by Exigence
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To: Right Wing Professor
the Kansas school board has been taken over by fundamentalists, who've added scientifically nonsensical content to the biology curriculum

Folks read the press coverage, fail to weed out the agenda of said press, and think they know the "facts." Strange... I'd expect more from a "professor." *wink*

But, then, according to you, we're all a bunch of unsophisticated hicks from the sticks...

278 posted on 10/31/2005 11:38:00 PM PST by Exigence
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To: Coyoteman
Are they forbidden to discuss scientific questions within evolution

Yes... that is what I said, isn't it? That has been the point from the beginning -- the one the press keeps forgetting to report. Strange how that happens, isn't it?

279 posted on 10/31/2005 11:40:03 PM PST by Exigence
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To: orionblamblam
2: The holes in the fossil record present no difficulty for the theory of evolution, anymore than a lack of photos of Pluto's position yesterday show that Keplers laws of planetary motion are in jeopardy of being overthrown.

How curious. My evolutionary biology professor taught me in a seminar on evolution that I took as an undergrad taht there were such gaps. He's been on the opposing side of the Kansas Board, and yet even he admitted there were issues of discussion worth discussing. But, of course, he probably knows nothing compared to you.

280 posted on 10/31/2005 11:51:13 PM PST by Exigence
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