Posted on 10/26/2005 12:36:08 PM PDT by jennyp
CLICK THIS for the video and go to 2:14 to watch the fireworks unfold.
CLICK HERE for the full 3 segments of the (long) set of discussions.
Bump for later reading.
Oh the horror. You mean these kids might actually have to learn an alternative theory? SHOCK! Call in the troops and put a stop to this freedom of thought NOW! Burn those books!
you bagged a good article, jennyp
ping
ID is not a theory.
MARK RYLAND (DI): ... Let me back up first and say: The Discovery Institute never set out to have a school board, schools, get into this issue. We've never encouraged people to do it, we've never promoted it. We have, unfortunately, gotten sucked into it, because we have a lot of expertise in the issue, that people are interested in.When asked for our opinion, we always tell people: don't teach intelligent design. There's no curriculum developed for it, you're teachers are likely to be hostile towards it, I mean there's just all these good reasons why you should not to go down that path. If you want to do anything, you should teach the evidence for and against Darwin's theory. Teach it dialectically. ...
... when it came to the Dover school district, we advised them not to institute the policy they advised. ... [F]rom the start we just disagreed that this was a good place, a good time and place to have this battle -- which is risky, in the sense that there's a potential for rulings that this is somehow unconstitutional. ...
RICHARD THOMPSON (TMLC): I, I think I should respond. [Stephen Meyer & David DeWolf, two Fellows of the Discovery Institute] wrote a book, titled "Intelligent Design in Public School Science Curricula." The conclusion of that book was that, um:
"Moreover, as the previous discussion demonstrates, school boards have the authority to permit, and even encourage, teaching about design theory as an alternative to Darwinian evolution -- and this includes the use of textbooks such as Of Pandas and People that present evidence for the theory of intelligent design." ...and I could go further. But, you had Discovery Institute people actually encouraging the teaching of intelligent design in public school systems. Now, whether they wanted the school boards to teach intelligent design or mention it, certainly when you start putting it in writing, that writing does have consequences.
Buffoonery to be watched later. Nice work.
[W]hen it came to the Dover school district, we advised them not to institute the policy they advised. In fact, I personally went and met with them, and actually Richard was there the same day, and they didn't listen to me, that's fine, they can do what they want, I have no power and control over them. But from the start we just disagreed that this was a good place, a good time and place to have this battle -- which is risky, in the sense that there's a potential for rulings that this is somehow unconstitutional.Of course, this is what we have been saying all along: Their "teach
Read this far and immediately remembered the brouhaha over DI's quote salad presentation to the Ohio School board some years ago. That incident underscored to many of us that ID is practiced by creationist pamphlet writers with a lot of old bad habits to break.
You can witness birth as it happens so I'm afraid your stork theory won't "fly". LOL
Ouch. He meant Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson.
HA ha!A major development in the Dover trial yesterday. The Discovery Institute had submitted a brief in the case last week and Judge Jones issued an order denying that brief’s use in the case. Our attorneys had filed a motion to strike that brief from the proceedings on the grounds that it was an attempt to get the expert testimony of Stephen Meyer and William Dembski on the record in the case after they had pulled out as expert witnesses, thus avoiding being cross examined on their claims. The judge agreed, ruling:
As all parties and amici filers are well aware, both Mr. Dembski and Mr. Meyer are no longer expert witnesses for the Defendants. Over the course of this trial we have provided both parties with every opportunity to present their expert witnesses, and accordingly the parties have engaged in thorough cross-examination of the opposing experts. We thus find it to be fundamentally unfair to receive a brief that frequently references an expert report, that was originally prepared for use in this case when Mr. Meyer was to be offered as a defense expert witness, and which contains the full revised report of Mr. Meyer as an attachment to the brief. The inclusion of such information in an ad hoc unsolicited fashion, when Plaintiffs have not had the opportunity to cross-examine such expert witness is clearly inappropriate under the circumstances. In fact, “Appendix A” of the amicus brief is entitled “Revised Report of Stephen C. Meyer, Ph.D., May 19, 2005” and it is clearly an expert report prepared in anticipation of Mr. Meyer’s testimony at trial. We will not countenance what is clearly a “back door” attempt to insert expert testimony into the record free of the crucible of trial and cross-examination.
In addition, after a careful review of the Discovery Institute’s submission, we find that the amicus brief is not only reliant upon several portions of Mr. Meyer’s attached expert report, but also improperly addresses Mr. Dembski’s assertions in detail, once again without affording Plaintiffs any opportunity to challenge such views by cross-examination. Accordingly, the “Brief of Amicus Curiae, the Discovery Institute” shall be stricken in its entirety.
That's a straw man argument if I ever saw one.
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Thanks for the ping!
I guess this made it through the spell checker, but it's amusing to see these people discuss what should be taught in school.
How so?
If we lower the standards of science education to accomodate new information for its political and not scientific methods, our students will receive a second-rate education.
As if public education wasn't bad enough, ID would further deteriorate standards.
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