Posted on 10/26/2005 6:52:39 AM PDT by WJHII
Which one? :)
1 needs to use common sense.
Which religion actually has direct *commandments* (NOT descriptions of things that happened, as equivocators are wont to refer) in its source documentation to go and do the brutal things done?
Which religion started from the get-go as blood-thirsty?
Which religion has a very "human"-ly flawed originator?
Which religion has spread only by gratuitous forcible conquering (an understatement)?
Which religion features - and always has - its own societal cultures living in abject poverty and subjugation w/o any actual semblance of individual rights?
It's common sense.
BTW - do you think the Moslems got Jerusalem by dint of already living there, as w/Mecca?
ALL!
I would be happy to add you to my PROP ping list. Just send me a private FReepmail as a reminder so I will not forget you. I have a lot on my plate right now as I am still in the Netherlands looking into the Moslem problem - among the worst in all of Europe...but I will add you when I am back home with my own computer. Meanwhile, nice to have you with us!
A.A.C.
"The Final Crusade has commenced!"
A turning point in western attitudes towards the east came in the year 1009, when the Fatimid caliph of Cairo, al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah, had the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem destroyed.
Some things just never change, do they? I don't think that we of present day can imagine the outrage which this act incited among Christendom.
...they are both guilty of manslaughter in the name if their religion...
The main difference:
It wasn't because of Jesus' teachings that "christians" killed in the name of God, it was in spite of them.
Mohammed was directly responsible for murder, pillage and rape-- he led by example, and exhorted his followers to do the same.
I've had a link to Sell's biography of mohammad as my tagline since the day I joined FR. I wish everyone would read it. Then we wouldn't have statements like these:
"Isn't the current problems with terrorism related to misinterpretations of the Islam faith by extremists?"
Hint hint.
The Agenda of Islam - A War Between Civilizations
Professor Moshe Sharon- Wednesday 24th Dec 2003
The war has started a long time ago between two civilizations - between the civilization based on the Bible and between the civilization based on the Koran. And this must be clear.
There is no fundamental Islam.
"Fundamentalism" is a word that came from the heart of the Christian religion. It means faith that goes by the word of the Bible. Fundamental Christianity, or going with the Bible, does not mean going around and killing people. There is no fundamental Islam. There is only Islam full stop. The question is how the Koran is interpreted.
All of a sudden we see that the greatest interpreters of Islam are politicians in the western world. They know better than all the speakers in the mosques, all those who deliver terrible sermons against anything that is either Christian or Jewish. These western politicians know that there is good Islam and bad Islam. They know even how to differentiate between the two, except that none of them know how to read a word of Arabic.
The Language of Islam
You see, so much is covered by politically correct language that, in fact, the truth has been lost. For example, when we speak about Islam in the west, we try to use our own language and terminology. We speak about Islam in terms of democracy and fundamentalism, in terms of parliamentarism and all kinds of terms, which we take from our own dictionary. One of my professors and one of the greatest orientalists in the world says that doing this is like a cricket reporter describing a cricket game in baseball terms. We cannot use for one culture or civilization the language of another. For Islam, you've got to use the language of Islam.
Driving Principles of Islam
Let me explain the principles that are driving the religion of Islam. Of course, every Moslem has to acknowledge the fact that there is only one God.
But it's not enough to say that there is only one God. A Moslem has to acknowledge the fact that there is one God and Mohammed is his prophet. These are the fundamentals of the religion that without them, one cannot be a Moslem.
But beyond that, Islam is a civilization. It is a religion that gave first and foremost a wide and unique legal system that engulfs the individual, society and nations with rules of behaviour. If you are Moslem, you have to behave according to the rules of Islam which are set down in the Koran and which are very different than the teachings of the Bible.
The Bible
Let me explain the difference.
The Bible is the creation of the spirit of a nation over a very, very long period, if we talk from the point of view of the scholar, and let me remain scholarly. But there is one thing that is important in the Bible. It leads to salvation. It leads to salvation in two ways.
In Judaism, it leads to national salvation - not just a nation that wants to have a state, but a nation that wants to serve God. That's the idea behind the Hebrew text of the Bible.
The New Testament that took the Hebrew Bible moves us toward personal salvation. So we have got these two kinds of salvation, which, from time to time, meet each other.
But the key word is salvation. Personal salvation means that each individual is looked after by God, Himself, who leads a person through His word to salvation. This is the idea in the Bible, whether we are talking about the Old or the New Testament. All of the laws in the Bible, even to the minutest ones, are, in fact directed toward this fact of salvation.
Secondly, there is another point in the Bible, which is highly important. This is the idea that man was created in the image of God. Therefore, you don't just walk around and obliterate the image of God. Many people, of course, used Biblical rules and turned them upside down. History has seen a lot of massacres in the name of God and in the name of Jesus. But as religions, both Judaism and Christianity in their fundamentals speak about honouring the image of God and the hope of salvation. These are the two basic fundamentals.
The Essence of Islam
Now let's move to the essence of Islam. Islam was born with the idea that it should rule the world.
Let's look, then, at the difference between these three religions. Judaism speaks about national salvation - namely that at the end of the story, when the world becomes a better place, Israel will be in its own land, ruled by its own king and serving God. Christianity speaks about the idea that every single person in the world can be saved from his sings, while Islam speaks about ruling the world. I can quote here in Arabic, but there is no point in quoting Arabic, so let me quote a verse in English. "Allah sent Mohammed with the true religion so that it should rule over all the religions."
The idea, then, is not that the whole world would become a Moslem world at this time, but that the whole world would be subdued under the rule of Islam.
When the Islamic empire was established in 634 AD, within seven years - 640 - the core of the empire was created. The rules that were taken from the Koran and from the tradition that was ascribed to the prophet Mohammed, were translated into a real legal system. Jews and Christians could live under Islam provided they paid poll tax and accepted Islamic superiority. Of course, they had to be humiliated. And Jews and Christians living under Islam are humiliated to this very day.
Mohammed Held That All the Biblical Prophets Were Moslems
Mohammed did accept the existence of all the Biblical prophets before him. However he also said that all these prophets were Moslems. Abraham was a Moslem. In fact, Adam himself was the first Moslem. Isaac and Jacob and David and Solomon and Moses and Jesus were all Moslems, and all of them had writings similar to the Koran. Therefore, world history is Islamic history because all the heroes of history were Moslems.
Furthermore, Moslems accept the fact that each of these prophets brought with him some kind of a revelation. Moses, brought the Taurat, which is the Torah, and Jesus brought the Ingeel, which is the Evangelion or Gospel - namely the New Testament.
The Bible vs. the Koran
Why then is the Bible not similar to the Koran?
Mohammed explains that the Jews and Christians forged their books. Had they not been changed and forged, they would have been identical to the Koran. But because Christians and Jews do have some truth, Islam concedes that they cannot be completely destroyed by war [for now].
read more...http://www.betar.co.uk/articles/betar1072264293.php
Thank you, Fred, for your post. Unfortunately, I fear too many Americans are like our friend "Roots." Willing to believe what they've been spoon-fed and unwilling to study, think, and discover the truth about Islam. Americans, for the most part, are good people who want to believe that Islam is inherently a peaceful religion, perhaps like their own, but those who believe that are like sheep being led to slaughter and they need to wake up before it's too late.
There is only one logical solution to the muslim problem: strip the citizenship of every muslim, deport them immediately, bulldoze all mosques and affiliated islam facilities within the U.S., and guarantee the complete destruction and pollution of a muslim unholy site, beginning at Mecca, for each terrorist attack by muslims on the U.S., at home or abroad . . . for starters.
And we, who attempt to teach and warn are labelled nutters and extremists!
Some truly must put their hands in the fire before they understand how hot and painful it is.
I fear islam will not disappoint us. The Left, the peacenicks, the ostriches will ultimately listen but not until they and their own have suffered personally. They are cowards.
No Altars: A Survey of Islamic Family Law in the United States
thanks, saved to read later, there's only so much islam I can handle at one sitting before I feel like I wanna be sick...AIDS benign in comparison IMO.
I do understand. I get headaches.
Roots,
With all due respect it wasn't the Moslems that the people who made up the Crusades attacked first. Not to mention the fact that it was the Moslems who attacked the homelands of both the Jews and Christians alike way before the Crusades ever happened. So the Crusades excuse that they always seem to like to bring up as away to play the victims, IMO, they can get just shove it up their pie-holes. We weren't the ones who attacked them first, they attacked us, so in a way the Crusades can be justified against them.
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