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Case against aides (doesn't have leg to stand on. (Valerie Plame case) (MUST READ: NO CRIME)
Chicago Sun Times ^ | Oct. 25, 2005 | MICHAEL BARONE

Posted on 10/25/2005 9:11:39 PM PDT by FairOpinion

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To: Peach
What I've never understood is how Wilson knew about the forged documents so many months before it was known the documents were forged.

Let's hope that Fritz looked into that

41 posted on 10/25/2005 9:51:04 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: MJY1288

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1508920/posts?page=42#42


42 posted on 10/25/2005 9:52:05 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Mo1

I just saw another blurb from a Salon article that makes me think Fitzgerald did look into that aspect of the case, but since most of the reporters are throwing crap against the wall at this point, I don't dare trust the report!


43 posted on 10/25/2005 9:53:09 PM PDT by Peach (I believe Congressman Weldon.)
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To: Brillo_Breaks
Presumably the CIA knew her status and whether a law may have been violated when they asked for an investigation

Then why not just SAY it one way or the other?

44 posted on 10/25/2005 9:54:06 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: FairOpinion
So why do we have a special prosecutor digging for two years to investigate, when there is no crime?!

When Novak called the CIA to verify info on Plame, they did NOT tell him she was covert, nor did they warn him off of printing his story. Hmmmmmmm.

45 posted on 10/25/2005 9:54:46 PM PDT by McGavin999 (We're a First World Country with a Third World Press (Except for Hume & Garrett ))
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To: Howlin
Michael Barone is THE MAN, one of the only TWO reporters I listen to anymore.

Britt Hume has to be the second one.

46 posted on 10/25/2005 9:56:02 PM PDT by woodyinscc
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To: woodyinscc

Damn straight.


47 posted on 10/25/2005 9:57:39 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Brillo_Breaks
Presumably the CIA knew her status and whether a law may have been violated when they asked for an investigation, and if not, I'm relatively certain the Ashcroft's investigation would have figured that out...

The CIA presumably knew her status when Novak called to verify her employment. Why didn't they forbid him to publish the story?

48 posted on 10/25/2005 9:58:02 PM PDT by McGavin999 (We're a First World Country with a Third World Press (Except for Hume & Garrett ))
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To: McGavin999

The Republicans/Bush administration should NOT have given in to the Dem demands of appointing a special prosecutor.

They should have made the very point you mentioned, that Novak checked with the CIA, who didn't tell him not to mention Plame and we have the Act which was NOT applicable here, so no crime, no investigation and told the Dems to go fly a kite, jump into the ocean, or whatever.


49 posted on 10/25/2005 9:59:04 PM PDT by FairOpinion (CA Props: Vote for Reform: YES on 73-78, NO on 79 & 80, NO on Y)
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To: umgud
Are ya telling me that Chrissy Matthews has lathered himdelf into an unnecessary frenzy?

Chrissie has decided to play to the blogosphere and other whacko lefties. He has gone over the edge, and will eventually go the way of Phil Dohahue

50 posted on 10/25/2005 9:59:18 PM PDT by lawnguy (It works Napoleon, you don't even know.)
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To: Howlin
Then why not just SAY it one way or the other?

Do you mean why wouldn't the CIA say something? Aside from the fact that it may involve national security stuff they can't really discuss publicly, what exactly would you expect them to do? The CIA wouldn't go on TV or show up posting the info on the internet, they'd have the DOJ or FBI investigate the matter. I'm not sure what you expect other than them asking for an investigation of the matter...

51 posted on 10/25/2005 10:00:32 PM PDT by Brillo_Breaks
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To: FairOpinion
Perjury is the "willful and corrupt taking of a false oath in regard to a material matter in a judicial proceeding". It is sometimes called "lying under oath"; that is, deliberately telling a lie in a courtroom proceeding after having taken an oath to tell the truth. It is important that the false statement be material to the case at hand—that it could affect the outcome of the case. It is not considered perjury, for example, to lie about your age, unless your age is a key factor in proving the case.

So, in the absence of a crime to be covered up, it would seem that any false statements to the Grand Jury (even if intended to mislead) cannot be perury--because they would lack materiality.

52 posted on 10/25/2005 10:01:26 PM PDT by sourcery (Givernment: The way the average voter spells "government.")
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To: Mo1; Peach

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1509244/posts?page=130#130


53 posted on 10/25/2005 10:01:27 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: FairOpinion
The Republicans/Bush administration should NOT have given in to the Dem demands of appointing a special prosecutor.

But maybe the Bush administration wanted to get to the bottom of the leaks too. For instance, who leaked the information about the raid on the terrorist supporters? Must have come from somewhere. Who has been leaking all kinds of CIA information to the media? Perhaps that's what he's been after all this time and Rove and Libby have just been a red herring for the press to run after.

54 posted on 10/25/2005 10:02:27 PM PDT by McGavin999 (We're a First World Country with a Third World Press (Except for Hume & Garrett ))
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To: Howlin
Howlin.... Have I, or have I not, been telling you that Joe Wilson is a fraud since DAY #1 ???

IMHO this whole investigation has been about the rogue element in the CIA that sent Joe Wilson to Niger to begin with. All the other crap we have been hearing from mental midgets like Chrissy Matthews is nothing more than political masturbation. The real story is who took part in the decision to send Joe Wilson to Niger and who gave Joe Wilson the OK to write his Op Ed?

After all, in order for Wilson to undertake a secret mission by the CIA, he would have had to sign a confidentiality agreement before he left for Niger, and someone would have had to clear him to write his Op Ed in the NYT's.

IMHO all fingers point to Joe Wilson and my original opinion of him will be vindicated.... Joe Wilson is a fraud!

55 posted on 10/25/2005 10:03:14 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Whenever a Liberal is Speaking on the Senate Floor, Al-Jazeera Breaks in and Covers it LIVE)
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To: sourcery

Exactly. And it seems they are counting not able to remember something a "crime", which was not the case for Clinton.

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From another article:

Will Karl Rove Be Another Indicted for a Non-Crime?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1509342/posts

"Then, we have the Karl Rove/Valerie Plame scenario. Even the ultra-liberal (actually leftist) NY Times said that Rove and Libby will more than likely be exonerated of the charge of "outing" former covert CIA agent Valerie Plame and that they did not violate the 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act. But, the Times went on to say that Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald would probably indict at least Rove on his inability to correctly remember a conversation he may have had. HOLD IT! During the Clinton Whitewater hearings both Bill and Hillary Clinton said they 'couldn't remember things' over 1,300 times combined! Neither one of them were indicted for their consistent lapses of memory. But, they were both Democrats. Rove and DeLay are not. Do you see a conspicuous and defined pattern here? "


56 posted on 10/25/2005 10:03:56 PM PDT by FairOpinion (CA Props: Vote for Reform: YES on 73-78, NO on 79 & 80, NO on Y)
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To: Brillo_Breaks

All the CIA had to do was tell the DOJ that Plame was undercover and to start indicting people.


57 posted on 10/25/2005 10:05:07 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Michael Barone is THE MAN, one of the only TWO reporters I listen to anymore.

Yep, same here. Michael Barone and Brit Hume are the only two that I find that have any credibility left in front of a camera.

58 posted on 10/25/2005 10:05:14 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Tucker Carlson could reveal himself as a castrated, lesbian, rodeo clown ...wouldn't surprise me")
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To: FairOpinion

The dims are going to be frustrated!


59 posted on 10/25/2005 10:05:15 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: McGavin999
The CIA presumably knew her status when Novak called to verify her employment. Why didn't they forbid him to publish the story?

CIA: "Yes indeed mister reporter, she's actually one of our spies. But please don't tell anyone we told you that."

Um, the CIA can't legally say that anymore than any other government official could.

60 posted on 10/25/2005 10:05:19 PM PDT by Brillo_Breaks
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