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Russia, China looking to form 'NATO of the East'?
Christian Science Monitor ^ | October 26, 2005 | Fred Weir

Posted on 10/25/2005 3:03:24 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

MOSCOW – Russia and China could take a step closer to forming a Eurasian military confederacy to rival NATO at a Moscow meeting of the six-member Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) Wednesday, experts say. The group, which started in 2001 with limited goals of promoting cooperation in former Soviet Central Asia, has evolved rapidly toward a regional security bloc and could soon induct new members such as India, Pakistan, and Iran.

One initiative that core members Russia and China agree on, experts say, is to squeeze US influence - which peaked after 9/11 - out of the SCO's neighborhood. "Four years ago, when the SCO was formed, official Washington pooh-poohed it and declared it was no cause for concern," says Ariel Cohen, senior researcher at the Heritage Foundation in Washington. "Now they're proven wrong."

Wednesday's meeting is expected to review security cooperation, including a spate of upcoming joint military exercises between SCO members' armed forces. It may also sign off on a new "Contact Group" for Afghanistan. That would help Russia and China - both concerned about increased opium flows and the rise of Islamism - develop direct relations between SCO and the Afghan government. While this will be highly controversial given the presence of NATO troops and Afghans' bitter memories of fighting Russian occupation throughout the 1980s, the Russians have an "in" because they still have longstanding allies in the country.

In attendance Wednesday will be prime ministers of member states Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, and Tajikistan, as well as top officials from several recently added "observer" states, including Indian Foreign Minister Natwar Singh, Pakistani Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz, and Iranian Vice President Parviz Davudi.

The SCO's swift rise has been fueled by deteriorating security conditions in ex-Soviet Central Asia, as well as a hunger in Moscow and Beijing for a vehicle that could counter US influence in the region.

"Moscow is seeking options to demonstrate - to Washington in the first place - that Russia is still an important player in this area," says Fyodor Lukyanov, editor of Russia in Global Affairs, a partner of the US bimonthly journal Foreign Affairs. "China's ambitions are growing fast, and it also wants to turn the SCO into something bigger and more effective."

Russian leaders blame the Bush administration, with its emphasis on democracy-building, for recent unrest, including revolution in Kyrgyzstan and a putative Islamist revolt in Uzbekistan. "Washington wants to expand democracy, which it sees as a panacea for all social and geopolitical evils," says Sergei Karaganov, head of the Council for Foreign and Defense Policies, which advises the Kremlin. "But it is clear to us that any rapid democratization of these countries (in Central Asia) will lead to chaos."

An SCO summit last June demanded that the US set a timetable to remove the bases it put in Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan with Moscow's acquiescence in the wake of 9/11. In July, Uzbek leader Islam Karimov ordered the US base at Karshi-Khanabad to evacuate by year's end.

But two recent visits to Kyrgyzstan by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice appear to have secured the US lease on that country's Manas airbase indefinitely - albeit with a sharp rent increase.

"There is nothing to cheer about," says Mr. Cohen. "Washington has signaled to the Russians that we won't be seeking any new bases in Central Asia. Basically, we are doing nothing to counter the moves against us."

In joint maneuvers last August, Russian strategic bombers, submarines, and paratroopers staged a mock invasion of a "destabilized" far eastern region with Chinese troops. This month, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov proposed holding the first Indian-Chinese-Russian war games under SCO sponsorship. "In principle, this is possible," he said. "The SCO was formed as an organization to deal with security issues."

Should states like India and Iran join, the SCO's sway could spread into South Asia and the Middle East. "India sees observer status [in the SCO] as a steppingstone to full membership," says a Moscow-based Indian diplomat who asked not to be named. But he added that India, which has recently improved its relations with the US, does not want to send an anti-US message. "We would hope the Americans would understand our desire to be inside the SCO, rather than outside," he says.

While the SCO's potential looks vast on paper, experts say internal rivalries would preclude it from evolving into a NATO-like security bloc. "What kind of allies could Russia and China be?" says Akady Dubnov, an expert with the Vremya Novostei newspaper. "The main question for them in Central Asia is who will gain the upper hand."

Still, the idea of a unified eastern bloc has strong appeal for some in Moscow. "It's very important that regional powers are showing the will to resolve Eurasian problems without the intrusion of the US," says Alexander Dugin, chair of the International Eurasian Movement, whose members include leading Russian businessmen and politicians. "Step by step we're building a world order not based on the unipolar hegemony of the US."

Says Cohen: "Eventually they'll wake up to this challenge in Washington. But will it be too late?"


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: centralasia; china; coldwar; coldwarii; eurasianism; greatgame; hegemony; india; iran; kazakstan; kyrgyzstan; multipolar; oil; pakistan; priceofoil; russia; sco; seato; turkmenistan; ussr; uzbekistan

1 posted on 10/25/2005 3:03:25 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

George Orwell was a prophet.


2 posted on 10/25/2005 3:10:54 PM PDT by kinghorse
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Ahhh.... The NEW Soviet Union, now with a spicey asian dumpling.


3 posted on 10/25/2005 3:20:53 PM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: kinghorse
"George Orwell was a prophet."
One could go a century earlier than Orwell. One Karl Marx [yes, that Marx] dubbed Russia of 1850s an "asiatic despotism". What could be more natural than asiatic despotisms drawing together and ultimately coalescing?
4 posted on 10/25/2005 3:25:15 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Who'd join?

China, Russia, and North Korea?

They could have fun making and using a secret decoder ring, I guess ....

5 posted on 10/25/2005 3:47:41 PM PDT by hillary's_fat_a**
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To: Tailgunner Joe

China is better off not antagonizing the US and forging ever closer economic ties. China's future as a global power lies in accessing the US and European and Asian markets. A military alliance with Russia will just complicate things on the economic front. The Chinese ought to just focus on economics and let the other countries maintain global stability. China is big enough that no one is going to bother them.


7 posted on 10/25/2005 4:15:24 PM PDT by ponder life
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To: Tailgunner Joe

If this alliance is formed, it would be the fulfillment of Hitler's dream of a Eurasian alliance, though he dreamed of uniting Japan and Germany.


8 posted on 10/25/2005 7:13:54 PM PDT by quadrant
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To: ponder life

China and the US are an odd couple like the USSR and Iran. Don't even bother trying to understand.


9 posted on 10/26/2005 7:49:28 AM PDT by kinghorse
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Did I write USSR? LOL. Yeah, those guys.


10 posted on 10/26/2005 7:49:52 AM PDT by kinghorse
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To: hillary's_fat_a**

I'd be a little concerned about a strategic military alliance between those 3. Underestimating opponents has come back to bite more than one group of people.


11 posted on 10/26/2005 1:57:52 PM PDT by Blue Scourge (USAF....when it has to be blown up now, accept no substitute)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; Cacique; Clemenza; Paleo Conservative; Willie Green; dennisw; SJackson; Khan; ...
This is an incredible important but under reported story.
The possible inclusion of India, Iran, and/or Pakistan could change the entire balance of power in Asia.
If both India and Iran join, China will dominate Asia, while the US may be forced out of the Middle East.
I am in the midst of writting an article on this and have posted a draft onto my blog.
12 posted on 10/27/2005 12:54:23 AM PDT by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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To: RWR8189; knighthawk

China Ping


13 posted on 10/27/2005 1:00:33 AM PDT by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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To: Alex Marko; F14 Pilot; a_Turk; Turk2; Puking Dog

ping


14 posted on 10/27/2005 1:02:07 AM PDT by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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