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To: coloradan

Yes, I have a comment. Meth heads shoot cops for the same reason that bootleggers shot revenue agents - because their drug of choice was illegal, and a conviction would net them years in prison, which they would rather avoid. Take away the prohibition, and the incentive to kill law officers (and witnesses) goes away. Neither meth nor alcohol are intrinsically evil, and neither do they cause people to become irredeemably evil. But they wanted a war, and they got one. People get shot dead in wars. On both sides.<<<<<<<<<<

Couldn't disagree more. Meth addicts will go after you if they think you are going to take their meth, or you might be coming to get them for some traffic ticket they had in '97, or you might be the person who's been listening to them through their air conditioning vents in their car. Are you saying that we would legalize crank to begin with, and if so, getting it legally would make them less paranoid and nuts? I don't think so.

And they sure aren't getting it from psychiatrists. There is a major difference between people on meth from the street and those taking a prescribed amphetamine, whick I might add has fallen out of favor for weight control.

If you ever worked with a significant number of meth addicts, you could not possibly think it's bad only because it's illegal. A devastating change takes place in people on meth, and the photos posted don't even show the half of it for many users.


256 posted on 12/13/2006 2:27:50 PM PST by Mjaye (Some folks close their mouth only long enough to change feet.)
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To: Mjaye

Thank you

Truer words were never spoken

sign this

an ex user.

Crank kills. What would you expect from something made from anti freeze, sneeze pills the list of ingredients is poisonous (do a search it will floor you) but to think that one would snort it up his nose.

I won and beat it but many don't. In fact many get killed over it


260 posted on 12/13/2006 7:21:59 PM PST by Dov in Houston (Hmmmm....)
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To: Mjaye
Meth addicts will go after you if they think you are going to take their meth

...which they would have no reason to think if it were legal, which of course isn't the case today.

or you might be coming to get them for some traffic ticket they had in '97, or you might be the person who's been listening to them through their air conditioning vents in their car.

Drunks often lose touch with reality, too. Care to look at how many deaths are caused by people "in drunken rages"? It's probably more than those killed by meth heads. Then there are the drunk driving fatalities, far more than all other causes of homicide combined.

Are you saying that we would legalize crank to begin with, and if so, getting it legally would make them less paranoid and nuts? I don't think so.

It would certainly make them less fearful of legal consequences, which as you yourself say, plays a part in their "paranoia" (although it isn't paranoia if you really are out to get them, which is the present case with the War On (some) Drugs).

There is a major difference between people on meth from the street and those taking a prescribed amphetamine, whick I might add has fallen out of favor for weight control.

In that case, you should oppose measures that ensure there will be meth "on the street," namely, it's prohibition. If it could be obtained legally, meth on the street would essentially vanish. How widely available is moonshine today?

If you ever worked with a significant number of meth addicts, you could not possibly think it's bad only because it's illegal.

I did not and do not think it's bad only because it's illegal. What I think is that the cure, the Drug War, is worse than the problem, drug addiction.

A devastating change takes place in people on meth, and the photos posted don't even show the half of it for many users.

A devastating change takes place for people who have their doors kicked in at 3AM by Drug Warriors, and who are then shot in their bed because they might have a gun - something many noncriminal people try to do when you kick in their doors at 3AM. The thing is, you can choose to not do meth, but you can't choose to not be a victim of a wrong-address no-knock raid. But apparently this price is worth it to you. Jumping off a cliff, banging your head on a brick wall, or attempting to climb Mt. Hood two or three days before a blizzard, are all legal, but that doesn't mean they're without risk of harm or death - nor that they should be made illegal.

262 posted on 12/14/2006 7:40:28 AM PST by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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